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To: Greg F

Oh, okay. Your God is better than my God. So I’ll be going to Hell if I don’t convert to your God. That’s very inspiring.

~”see the Mormon theology of “blood atonement””~

That doctrine has never been sanctioned by the LDS Church. It was ascribed to by a group within the LDS Church called the “Danites” that was denounced by the Church from its formation.

Let me be very clear: The “blood atonement” accusation is a lie.

By throwing that accusation, you demonstrate that you are unwilling to research us for yourself, instead electing to believe the words of our detractors. I hope you choose to find better sources for your information in the future.

For a more complete explanation as to why exactly this accusation is a lie, please refer to the following:
http://www.shields-research.org/General/blood_atonement.htm

~”He is not sufficient to save you from all sin”~
~”We aren’t the judge. Christ is.”~

One of the above doesn’t fit. Will we not both be judged by the same Christ, regardless of which of us is correct as to the exact nature of God? If so, then who are you to judge that Christ’s atonement is not sufficient for me?


1,606 posted on 06/30/2007 8:01:21 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh

I also think he said he was a x church historian unless I am confusing with another poster on this thread!


1,608 posted on 06/30/2007 8:13:49 PM PDT by restornu
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To: tantiboh; Greg F; Enosh; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; ...
Pardon the minor intrusion, but you two are not going to get anywhere until you discover that there are three groups of humans from God’s perspective: Jews, the Church, and the rest of humankind. If you want to explore the notion of judgment you will have to agree upon which group you choose to understand the process of judgment. Additionally, there are the Angels upon whom judgment will occur and with whom some of humankind will be lumped. Now, if you two just like to argue, ignore the above suggestions.
1,609 posted on 06/30/2007 8:14:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: tantiboh

Brigham Young, one of your living prophets, set out blood atonement:

Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved in the kingdom of our God and our Father, and being exalted, one who knows and understands the principles of eternal life, and sees the beauty and excellency of the eternities before him compared with the vain and foolish things of the world, and suppose that he is overtaken in a gross fault, that he has committed a sin that he knows will deprive him of that exaltation which he desires, and that he cannot attain to it without the shedding of his blood, and also knows that by having his blood shed he will atone for that sin, and be saved and exalted with the Gods, is there a man or woman in this house but what would say, “shed my blood that I may be saved and exalted with the Gods?”

All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be glad to have his blood shed. That would be loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you love your brothers or sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the sheding of their blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood? That is what Jesus Christ meant. He never told a man or woman to love their enemies in their wickedness, never. He never intended any such thing; his language is left as it is for those to read who have the Spirit to discern between truth and error; it was so left for those who can discern the things of God. Jesus Christ never meant that we should love a wicked man in his wickedness.
. . .
I could refer you to plenty of instances where men, have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins. I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance (in the last resurrection there will be) if their lives had been taken and their blood spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the devil, until our elder brother Jesus Christ raises them up—conquers death, hell, and the grave. I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle’s being in full force, but the time will come when the law of God will be in full force.

This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.

Journal of Discourses
Vol. 4, p. 215-221


1,633 posted on 07/01/2007 4:09:58 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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