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To: Reno232
The Nicean creed upon wich you pin many of your beliefs, was brought about by a bunch of men who argued for days & came up w/ what they believed was truth.

Now the LDS members claim that WE 'tell them what they believe' and they do have a point; but here you've said that MANY 'believe' in some creed.

This is not true. Any 'creed' is merely a boiled down summary of the 'important' ideas of Christianity, that various groups of folks who are trusting Christ for their salvation, hold in common as the basics.

No more - no less.    (Kinda like your 13 Articles of Faith)


As to 'truth'; we ALL want that.

When JS started out, it seems he was searching for TRUTH.

When Paul was evangelizing, he came across some folks who wanted TRUTH. 
As you can see from the Scripture, Paul used the EXISTING documents from the Jewish religion: the Old Testement, to backup the claims of Jesus.


NIV Acts 17:16-34
 16.  While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.
 17.  So he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?
 20.  You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we want to know what they mean."
 21.  (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)
 22.  Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious.
 23.  For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you.
 24.  "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
 25.  And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
 26.  From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
 27.  God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.
 28.  `For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, `We are his offspring.'
 29.  "Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone--an image made by man's design and skill.
 30.  In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
 31.  For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
 32.  When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, "We want to hear you again on this subject."
 33.  At that, Paul left the Council.
 34.  A few men became followers of Paul and believed. Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman named Damaris, and a number of others.
 
The 'gentiles' of this world have heard the claims of JS and say, "What is this babbler trying to say?" and "He seems to be advocating foreign gods."  - some sneer, and others want to hear more.
 
No where does Paul say, "Look at all the good works we 'Christ followers do" - he uses EXISTING Scripture to make his claim.
He does not tell any of those who 'want to hear more' to seek some kind of an internal reassurance that his words are true.  For he warns later...
 
1 Corinthians 1:21-22a
 21.  For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
 22.  Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom...
 


So when someone comes along and says things that do NOT line up with existing Scripture, then produces 'evidence' to back up his claims, and then, rewrites the existing time-tested Scriptures to further reinforce his claims, it's no WONDER that many folks will not believe what is claimed by this new fellow.

1,358 posted on 06/30/2007 5:22:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

So tell me Elsie, do you believe & subscribe to the Nicene & Athanasian creeds?


1,395 posted on 06/30/2007 7:21:11 AM PDT by Reno232
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