Posted on 06/23/2007 1:28:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
~”...and He will never leave you or forsake you once you confess Him.”~
Even if you leave of forsake Him?
~”At my age, I can testify truly to you from what I have witnessed that when a man bows his knee to Jesus, there is no way God will allow that man or woman to become a filthy family member for the rest of their life...”~
Is not the free agency given to us still in effect? Will He force us to obey?
~”He is the One Doing the Works and His greatest work is the transforming of a you or me.”~
Indeed. All the more reason that I owe Him my obedience.
~”Contending over works v faith using extraordinary examples profits little.”~
I agree; but such examples as I have chosen are hardly extraordinarily. We unfortunately see them around us each day.
~”Testifying to the Saving Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ profiteth much and is the power of the Holy Spirit to bring the heart to repentance and salvation in Him.”~
I agree. Such was my experience as a missionary, and as I testify of our Savior to my fellowman in my day to day life.
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
According to your doctrine of the Trinity, that would make us God Himself, and that was Christ speaking.
Remember, I'm 99% Catholic. ;)
Than you must be upset that a Catholic Bishop conducted the Mormon Tabernacle chorus Yikes!
Sorry that was a Cardial
The operative word now is "before."
Will you be a god "after" or "away from" God?
Kolob??? That reminds me of the Monty Python sketch. “The palindrome of Bolton is Notlob.”
Smith took his Masonic rituals and made them into a religion. Goofy as all get out.
I would be interested in where you find that doctrine in the Scriptures.
Matthew 7
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Excuse me for butting in. I thought this scripture might be relevant to that comment.
John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
Do you have a problem with that scripture or are you just going to ignore it?
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Try again
Judas was an Apostle of the Lord. Would the Lord call as His chosen a man who had not accepted His divinity and had faith in Him? Yet even Judas exercised his agency and forsook the Lord.
My uncle joined with a group of born-again Christians. He was saved.
Then he left the group over a dispute and later sexually molested my cousins, his nephews, and is now a few years into a decades-long jail sentence.
He can yet repent and return to the Lord; but he exercised his agency and lost his way. If he fails to make the right choices, will he still be saved on account of his previous confession of faith?
These are thorny issues, of course, and not cleanly resolved; but I do not accept the thesis that, once we accept the Lord, our course is set. This is why the Lord counsels us, in Matthew 10:22, “...he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Pretty consistent with Christ's teachings in Matthew 7, don't you think?
I think so. :) It’s interesting what you find when you read the scriptures, isn’t it!
At right, Francis Cardinal George, archbishop of Chicago, conducts the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra at Temple Square during a rehearsal prior to a concert at the Ravinia Music Festival in Highland Park, Ill., on Wednesday afternoon. Below left, an encore number Wednesday night at the Ravinia Music Festival in Highland Park, Ill. The concert, held near Chicago, was part of the choir's tour that will conclude on Monday.
First, what is your concept of infinity?
Do you agree with Christ or disagree?
That is very cool, the Archbishop conducting the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Very cool.
Mormons and Catholics have a lot in common - mostly Jesus Christ our Savior - but both groups are persecuted, lied about,and made fun of.
I know its slightly off topic, but I’m still waiting for the Trinity folks to explain the competing “wills” in Luke 22:42. None of the Trinity folks have touched that one yet.
Christ also said in Matt. 20:23 “And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, IS NOT MINE TO GIVE, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.”
It sure appears to me from these scriptures that Christ and God are two separate beings.
I love Jesus; He’s my Savior, Redeemer and Lord. I’m a Mormon. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Don’t be so hard on yourselves.
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