Posted on 06/22/2007 5:38:46 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
Washington - Rolling over intense opposition from car manufacturers, the Senate on Thursday approved the first substantial increase in mileage requirements for passenger cars in more than two decades.
The measure was part of a larger energy bill passed late Thursday by a vote of 65-27. The bill is expected to be taken up by the House next week.
The mileage measure was a major defeat for Detroit's Big Three automakers. If it becomes law, the provision would increase the combined average mileage of new cars and light trucks to 35 miles per gallon by 2020, up from about 25 mpg today.
The move to boost fuel economy standards is being watched warily in Janesville, home to a General Motors plant that turns out full-size, low-miles-per-gallon SUVs.
"It's kind of scary because you just don't know where it's really going to end up," said GM employee Rick Banach, 46, who took a job in Janesville after working more than 25 years at the Delphi Corp. plant in Oak Creek, which is expected to close as a result of Delphi's bankruptcy.
"I know right now there's a lot of emphasis on green . . . but I don't know if tagging the domestic automakers with this type of legislation is the answer to it," Banach said.
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LOL
Stop giving anyone ideas! /s
“exotic batteries made of unobtanium”
LMAO!
I bet that six cycle engine could do that. You get that extra power from steam....so maybe it would work.
Well maybe....but where do the grandkids sit?
2020?
What a bunch of wusses. If they really wanted to “do something” they would have set a 5 year timeline and let the electorate decide if they should remain in office. As it stands, this is firmly over the horizon and will never be implemented, and will be repealed or loopholed to death well before 2020.
I disagree with this, of course, but hey, you can respect a principled stand, even if misguided.
Republicans and Democrats collectively are a bunch complete liberal wusses for passing something so they could claim to be “green” in the near-term elections.
Conservatives have a long row to hoe if they think the GOP is recoverable from this death-spiral that GWB has put us in that makes crap like this possible.
lol.
Agreed, but our government should not subsidize the US auto makers demise through tax policy and cafe standards. People want big cars and SUVs.
They are expecting cars by then to be made of aluminum foil and only the airbag and the seatbelts will be able to protect drivers in the event of a collision.
You’re right - small turbo’ed, computer controlled diesels are the engine of the future.
Now all we need are better transmissions.
These combined still won’t propel a 5000-lb SUV at 35 MPG with today’s drivetrains. One of the big reasons for SUV’s slurping so much more fuel than compact cars is that the SUV is using a classic drivetrain. Non-engineers don’t realize how much energy is lost trying to push energy around a 90-degree angle. When you have differentials in the drivetrain, you’re wasting some of your power as heat.
This is why the early high MPG Japanese cars went to transverse-mounted engines: the engine turns in the same direction as the wheels, without need for diffs.
A front-wheel drive car with a transverse-mounted turbo diesel engine should be able to top 60 MPG at highway speeds. But it won’t have 4WD unless the rear wheel drive setup is used only when necessary, and possibly be electrically driven.
No doubt, congress will include a limo exemption.
No, of course not. The VW itself doesn’t weigh 6,000#. Towing a trailer that is heavier than the towing vehicle is probably something that most drivers shouldn’t do unless they take the effort to become familiar with trailer brake systems.
That said, the CAFE standards are fleet averages. If more people drive high mileage cars, and dispense with driving SUV’s that they don’t need, then lower-mileage SUV’s and pickups will still be allowed.
Most people who own SUV’s are wasting fuel on a truck-type driveline because what they really want is good visibility, cargo room and a little more crash survivability. They don’t want (nor do they know how to use) a 4WD drivetrain, which is what contributes much to the SUV’s fuel inefficiency. Likewise, most SUV owners will never tow anything. Detroit needs to come up with a vehicle that delivers the aspects of the SUV that the typical customer wants, and removes the aspects of the SUV that the typical SUV customer never uses.
Ford’s hybrid SUV driveline gets the mileage up near 30 MPG. Get a small turbodiesel into that vehicle, and you’re up to 35 MPG without breaking a sweat.
Diesels autos in Europe account for about 42% of new auto sales.
I also drive a 1-ton F-350 diesel. I like it just fine.
I have no intention of being a victim of broiler-foil roller skate standards: when the 7.3L engine dies, I’ll put another engine into the same truck. The registration will exempt me from new emissions standards, so I won’t have to put up with urea or exhaust filters and retarded injection timing to reduce NOx for idiot Californian standards.
As I see it, the only people who will comply with this idiocy will be those people who can’t be bothered to learn how to work on older cars.
Well, I have to have 4x4 just to get around in winter and I tow a boat.
Stupid lil toy cars wouldn’t work for me or anyone I know.
It’s called ‘Central Planning’.
I expect that you’ll see a lot more non-metallic body components in these cars — things like fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc. There are plenty of these new materials that will greatly reduce weight, and still be able to protect passengers in collisions. I’ve seen modern bullet-proofing materials where a panel 0.25” thick will stop a .30-06 AP round. That’s pretty strong stuff.
The rub, tho, will be how much these materials raise the price of a car.
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