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To: CarrotAndStick
The research, which tracked 140,000 children born in England and Wales over a 30-year period, found that a massive 56 per cent second-generation Indians sailed over class barriers and went into professional or managerial posts, compared with just 43 per cent of white children.

In a further breakdown of what it called the “Indian success story”, the study added that Being Hindu or Jewish enhanced the probability of a professional/managerial class outcome, other things being equal, while being Muslim, Sikh or from a religious group other than the main religions made such a destination less likely”.

I doubt religion has much, if anything, to do with it. Rather, it all comes down to how willing a person is to work hard and utilise opportunities as they arise. As Thomas Jefferson once said, "I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it."

Immigrants from India tend to have a better work ethic, and their children generally are taught to study harder and to do well in school. If the white underclass in Britain has anything like the same pathologies that the black underclass in America has, it's no wonder they aren't getting anywhere. The children of immigrants to America, regardless of where they come from, tend to succeed in school more than native-born children, because they are taught to study and work - and this holds true whether their families are from Jamaica, Korea, or Poland. I remember reading once about some Polish children whose family immigrated after Communism fell. These kids would spend 4-6 hours a night doing their homework. They were absolutely mystified that the average American kid spends 4-6 hours a night watching television. Therein lies the difference. It's all about work ethic, not religion or race.

Opportunity often knocks, but many people don't open the door because it's dressed in overalls and looks like work.

The reason our, ahem, inner city kids are doing pitifully in school is because there is an ingrained ethos in the urban black community, implanted from decades and generations of government handout programmes and victim mentality propaganda, which says that working hard and getting good grades is bad. It's "acting white". It's being a race traitor. Kids in inner city schools will be harassed, threatened, and even beaten up for doing well in school. If the white underclass in Britain has the same mentality (as a poster above alluded), then the same results will occur - dead end jobs, drugs, illegitimacy, welfare dependency, broken families, suicide, violence, and every other ill that plagues our cities.

9 posted on 06/22/2007 7:54:50 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Thompson is Duncan Hunter without the training wheels)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; CarrotAndStick
It seems to me that there is a long-entrenched lumpenproletariat culture of resentment and passivity among whites in England. I would suspect a lot of it came out of left-wing union movements that began in the period between the wars but really took hold after WWII. As Britain changed and industrial employment began to die, the attitude held by these people made it impossible for them to make any changes and stay competitive; at the same time, when the "sexual revolution" of the 60s hit and people stopped marrying, started sowing babies left and right and leaving the state to pay for them, and eventually decided they were responsible for nothing, not even their own lives, this flowered and produced the British white underclass of today.

They are very similar to American blacks, who live in a state of perpetual resentment and fury because they see themselves as utterly passive subjects of the state. They expect things to be given to them, they expect to have everything done for them, and they are profoundly offended by the suggestion that they might have to make some effort of their own. And furthermore, they have no idea where to begin, and the treacherous "leadership" of their exploitive political leaders makes it impossible for them to find the very logical way out of their predicament.

14 posted on 06/22/2007 11:19:28 AM PDT by livius
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I doubt religion has much, if anything, to do with it. Rather, it all comes down to how willing a person is to work hard and utilise opportunities as they arise.

I think religion has a lot to do with instilling work ethic and an education ethic. It depends a lot on the religion. Jews are very big on higher education, Amish are not but they have a terrific work ethic.

15 posted on 06/22/2007 11:25:31 AM PDT by Dan Evans
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