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To: yankeedame

Indians breaking class barriers in UK

http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1294956.cms

LONDON: Second-generation Indian immigrants are breaking their adopted country’s class barriers with consistent ease and steaming ahead of much of white, black and brown Britain, new research has found.

The research, which tracked 140,000 children born in England and Wales over a 30-year period, found that a massive 56 per cent second-generation Indians sailed over class barriers and went into professional or managerial posts, compared with just 43 per cent of white children.

In a further breakdown of what it called the “Indian success story”, the study added that Being Hindu or Jewish enhanced the probability of a professional/managerial class outcome, other things being equal, while being Muslim, Sikh or from a religious group other than the main religions made such a destination less likely”.

However, the study admitted that today’s immigrant successes could not discount the reality and dreadful toll of the so-called “ethnic penalty” levied on newer, foreign-origin claimants for jobs and positions.

The research said two-thirds of British Pakistani and Bangladeshi children remained static and at the same working class levels of their parents, thus languishing at the bottom of the UK’s social and economic mobility ladder.

The study, commissioned by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and conducted by Essex University sociologist Dr Lucinda Platt, is considered one of the most comprehensive attempts to track ethnic minority “life chances” in the world of Western opportunity. Platt concluded that the differing levels of South Asian success makes for caution “in what we claim for ‘ethnicity’ and what we attribute to it”.

Platt said it was indisputable that British Indians were taking full advantage of the fact that an expansion in professional and managerial occupations over the past 30 years had created more “room at the top”. But she cautioned that the “welcome progress” of Indians and Afro-Caribbeans was “no cause for complacency (because) Britain is still a long way from being a meritocracy where social class plays no part in determining children’s chances of well-paid careers”.


2 posted on 06/22/2007 6:39:28 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

“Britain is still a long way from being a meritocracy where social class plays no part in determining children’s chances of well-paid careers”.”

Has, or could, such a place ever existed? It’s just a fact of life, if your from a poor “working class” background, you’re gonna have to work harder to reach certain positions than if you come from a more priveleged background. Similarly, if you want to reach the highest levels of the business or political worlds, coming from an “upper class” family is an advantage, and those who don’t will have to work extra hard to overcome that disadvantage. It’s just a fact of life - but the opportunity is there for anyone to rise above their circumstances.


7 posted on 06/22/2007 7:31:14 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
The research, which tracked 140,000 children born in England and Wales over a 30-year period, found that a massive 56 per cent second-generation Indians sailed over class barriers and went into professional or managerial posts, compared with just 43 per cent of white children.

In a further breakdown of what it called the “Indian success story”, the study added that Being Hindu or Jewish enhanced the probability of a professional/managerial class outcome, other things being equal, while being Muslim, Sikh or from a religious group other than the main religions made such a destination less likely”.

I doubt religion has much, if anything, to do with it. Rather, it all comes down to how willing a person is to work hard and utilise opportunities as they arise. As Thomas Jefferson once said, "I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it."

Immigrants from India tend to have a better work ethic, and their children generally are taught to study harder and to do well in school. If the white underclass in Britain has anything like the same pathologies that the black underclass in America has, it's no wonder they aren't getting anywhere. The children of immigrants to America, regardless of where they come from, tend to succeed in school more than native-born children, because they are taught to study and work - and this holds true whether their families are from Jamaica, Korea, or Poland. I remember reading once about some Polish children whose family immigrated after Communism fell. These kids would spend 4-6 hours a night doing their homework. They were absolutely mystified that the average American kid spends 4-6 hours a night watching television. Therein lies the difference. It's all about work ethic, not religion or race.

Opportunity often knocks, but many people don't open the door because it's dressed in overalls and looks like work.

The reason our, ahem, inner city kids are doing pitifully in school is because there is an ingrained ethos in the urban black community, implanted from decades and generations of government handout programmes and victim mentality propaganda, which says that working hard and getting good grades is bad. It's "acting white". It's being a race traitor. Kids in inner city schools will be harassed, threatened, and even beaten up for doing well in school. If the white underclass in Britain has the same mentality (as a poster above alluded), then the same results will occur - dead end jobs, drugs, illegitimacy, welfare dependency, broken families, suicide, violence, and every other ill that plagues our cities.

9 posted on 06/22/2007 7:54:50 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Thompson is Duncan Hunter without the training wheels)
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