Posted on 06/22/2007 4:13:37 AM PDT by theothercheek
Panty them all.
That been the problem with all the grandstanding in DC all along. Various irresponsible politicans, egged on by an incompetent “News” media, have thrown around the word “torture” with reckless disregard for the facts.
The USA has not, and does not, use torture.
Of course not. One of the links in the post is an article dating back to when Iraq took Abu Grahib (spelling?) over from the US. All the “tortured” prisoners were REALLY tortrued then and said the Americans were much more humane captors. I am amazed at John McCain using his credibility as a POW who was tortured to claim that my country and his is engaging in practices even remotely similar to what was done to him. This, and immigration is why he will never be president.
Leaving the lights on at a dim level 24/7 - low enough to interfere with close vision, but bright enough to interfere with sleep - seems to me might be an effective way to induce real discomfort and fatigue on a prisoner and I don’t see how it could be termed torture under even the most expansive definition.
The RAP music that they play at my gym is pure torture.
You have to induce a certain level of discomfort and/or fatigue - not physical pain and not exhaustion - to break the prisoners. Only after you break them can you get then to talk. And if you are not inflicing pain or causing the mind go into a hallucinatory state, the information you get will like be accurate. No one will willingly tell you what you want to know unless it is in his best interests. Keeping them in four-star hotel conditions makes it in their best interests not to talk because they’re living it up better than they ever had it back home.
I’ve finally gotten used to it - if I don’t try to make out the lyrics.
And don’t forget Monday morning staff meetings, DC traffic, going to the dentist, taking the car in for service and hoping it will cost less than $100, waiting in an airport terminal while CNN blares the same 5 pointless stories just loud enough to make reading or conversation impossible.
We all know and understand that if we do not use torture, our troops will not be tortured if captured! /s
“(though not so extreme as to cause hallucination)”
they call it torture when waterboarding terrorists? hmmm... just this week I watched my 2 year old granddaughter learn how to hold her breath and swim to the side of the pool, guess it’s all perspective...rto
I don’t understand how according Geneva Conventions treatment to terrorists who are not bound to return the favor - and do NOT - is somehow going to prevent our soldiers from being tortured. They ARE being tortured - their mutilated bodies prove it. But McCain never seems to explain this in his pat denunciations of HIS definition of torture. I wish someone would hold his feet to the fire on this.
Yes, they are. They are covered as nonuniformed combatants--terrorists. Guess what? They have no rights. Period. You can kill them at will.
The Geneva Conventions recognized that if armies degraded into general terrorism, it would not be to civilization's benefit. Therefore, terrorists, spies and sabateurs should be treated harshly to discourage such behavior.
Now our government wants to afford them the same protections enjoyed by uniformed combatants fighting on behalf of national identities--very foolish... and dangerous.
Torture as defined by the left and its publicity arm, the media, is anything that the military does while Bush is president.
As I mentioned earlier, the purpose of the nonuniformed combatant rule was to discourage "unlawful warfare" and confine the fighting to the battlefield. The Arab world, on the other hand, recognizes that they can't engage us conventionally. Therefore, they use "nonaffiliated terrorist organizations" to do their fighting. Prisoners taken in such activities should be dealt with harshly... to deter others who would follow suit. In the long run, it is far more humane than allowing such a cancer to fester in civilization.
And do you really think that “moral and religious codes” (at least the ones you and I might subscribe to) condone killing a caged human being at will?
Aggressive interrogation helps America win the war on terror,
therefore, “libs” oppose it.
Spare me. This is a discussion of law and the court’s ruling.
Fair enough. But most of us answer to something greater than the law.
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