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To: spirited irish
I think the question posed; - "Can America Survive Evolutionary Humanism?" is divisive, and that the real issue we should all address is how to get government to obey our Constitution.

Saying that ' evolutionary humanists' are causing gov't socialism is a ludicrous nonproductive generalization.

The issue is not about you and your feelings.

Exactly. the issue is about our Constitution. As I said just above.

You only feel it is divisive because you've allowed yourself to dwell on your feelings.

You feel that I 'feel'? How silly.

..The Declaration and Constitution are founded squarely upon the core presupposition: God created man - man is His creature, made in His image. Streaming forth from this core presupposition is this major assumption: man's Creator has endowed man with inalienable (not from man) rights....

You want to believe a Creator endowed you? - Fine. - I don't. Our inalienable [not infringable] rights are self-evident and do not require a creator to be valid.

Expecting that an elected leadership comprised of evolutionary humanists who reject God, and who contemptuously call Him a superstitious belief to nonetheless respect a system grounded upon God, is to be disattached-from-reality.

Read Joseph Story on the religious tests line of Article 6, Clause 3:

"-- It had a higher object; to cut off for ever every pretence of any alliance between church and state in the national government. The framers of the constitution were fully sensible of the dangers from this source, marked out in the history of other ages and countries; and not wholly unknown to our own. -"

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Saying that "evolutionary humanists" are causing gov't socialism is a ludicrous nonproductive generalization

Evolutionary Humanism is but the modern version of pre-Biblical naturalism. Naturalism, in its many permutations, has always been socialistic (collectivistic), with an aristocractic ruling class and a rigid class and/or caste system.

American indian & pre-christian nordic cultures belie your theory. Both were developing individual rights as a basis for law.

Evolutionary Humanism leads to socialism as naturally as day follows night.
Study worldview and you'll discover these things.

Studying our Constitutions principles is a far better preparation to fight socialism.

512 posted on 06/26/2007 7:21:30 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: tpaine

tpaine—You feel that I ‘feel’? How silly

Irish...No ‘silly,’ that’s not what I said. I’m simply an observer of the consequences of the effects that your ‘self-centered’ feelings are having upon you, your ability to reason rationally, etc.

tpaine—I don’t. Our inalienable [not infringable] rights are self-evident and do not require a creator to be valid.

Irish...This claim is inconsistent with the tenets of evolutionary humanism. There can be no such thing as “self-evident’ when ‘matter is in motion.” All you have is continuous ‘change.” For this reason, EO Wilson frankly admits that there is no source for self (personhood).

Furthermore, your talk of ‘rights’ is likewise inconsistent with the tenets of evolutionary humanism for the same reason as above. All you have is whatever ‘privileges’ the higher evolved deign to allow you as per their ‘impulses’ of the moment.


533 posted on 06/27/2007 5:45:22 AM PDT by spirited irish
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