Posted on 06/19/2007 9:51:33 PM PDT by Coleus
“Of course you do. I’ll bet you think those darned clergy should have stayed out of the slavery issue in the 1850s as well...”
Well bless your little Yankee heart, I certainly do. If things had turned out a little differently I’d be sitting and drinking mint juleps on the veranda of my family’s ancestral plantation home. /S
Jesus told the Truth and was murdered for it. The Bible says we(Christians) will be slaughtered like sheep and the killers will believe they are doing God's Work. You see what centuries of lies and misinterpretation of God's word has done for Muslims. The same will happen to our children if they aren't corrected. Taking God out of school was the beginning of the end for America.
God never “excomminicates”. It’s an impossibility.
Prosecutorial discretion.
Yeah, I’m going to hold my breath until Catholics like Ted Kennedy are excommunicated.
Well ... it's probably not an exercise of the "extraordinary magisterium," but it's without question infallibly known. JP2 said this (Evangelium Vitae 62):
Given such unanimity in the doctrinal and disciplinary tradition of the Church, Paul VI was able to declare that this tradition is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, in communion with the Bishops-who on various occasions have condemned abortion and who in the aforementioned consultation, albeit dispersed throughout the world, have shown unanimous agreement concerning this doctrine-I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written Word of God, is transmitted by the Church's Tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.
That's true. There is massive social pressure within families to "stay Catholic". I left the Catholic Church back in 1985 after my divorce was filed, without looking back even once in the intervening twenty-two years, and still my mother thinks I might come back. I mentioned that I've been getting to know my lady's friends and family since moving here to NY, and that many of them are regular churchgoing Catholics. She asked me if it might just rub off on me.
I imagine the same thing happens with every religious tradition that drills itself deeply into the lives of the people who are raised in it.
Actually, they were etched in stone, the 10 Commandments :)
I was thinking along these lines. I just finished reading a book that covers the canonization of Pius IX and Vatican I (the Papal Infallibility issue), Pius had asserted Papal Infallibility prior to Vatican I in declaring the Immaculate Conception a dogma of the faith. Apparently most of the council fathers believed that on all pronounced matter of faith and morals, papal infallibility was assumed.
The quote above by JPII, appears to invoke Papal Infallibility, therefore being pro-abortion is NOT an option for Catholics. Am I wrong?
BTW, I have never been Catholic (although I did attend Catholic school as a child), but I am a Catholic sympathizer/supporter (LOVED JPII). Also, I am a religious historian (Medievalist), which means my research area is pretty much Catholic History (and the medieval heresies).
Now, in light of the post-war chaos, Cardinal Sodano has announced a newly hawkish line on Iraq from Rome. "The child has been born," he declared recently on behalf of the Vatican. "It may be illegitimate, but it's here, and it must be reared and educated."
Despite the Vatican's vociferous opposition to the war, the bloody terrorist attacks and the continuing insurgency have convinced the Pope that only an increased military presence, including Nato troops, can secure peace.
<< Id be surprised if somewhere in Rome there isnt a blanket edict to that effect. >>
You are correct. We are to confess (with contriteness) any sin before receiving communion.
<< It’s a matter of beginning (somewhere) to restore comprehensive moral and doctrinal integrity. >>
You have made some very good points, especially the one above. Thanks.
a lot of the reasoning is in this booklet, politicians are the very people who can decide to make abortion legal or illegal, the congress control the courts and can make and pass laws. They also appropriate the money for abortion while the general public does not. Politicians, by virtue of their positions, authority and power, are held to a higher standard.
Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics
“Im a pro-life Catholic but I disagree with this selective meddling into politics.”
The Bishop is just doing what Catholics do. It’s the politicians who are meddling with the Catholic religion, trying to insist that they have a right to communion while embracing abortion.
55 “Catholics” who claim to be pro-abortion:
Joe Baca
Xavier Becerra
Robert Brady
Michael Capuano
Dennis A. Cardoza
Wm. Lacy Clay
Jim Costa
Joseph Crowley
Peter A. DeFazio
William Delahunt
Rosa DeLauro
Mike Doyle
Anna Eshoo
Lane Evans
Charles A. Gonzalez
Raul M. Grijalva
Luis V. Gutierrez
Maurice Hinchey
Tim Holden
Patrick J. Kennedy
Dale E. Kildee
James R. Langevin
John B. Larson
Stephen Lynch
Edward J. Markey
Jim Marshall
Carolyn McCarthy
Betty McCollum
James P. McGovern
Cynthia McKinney
Marty Meehan
Michael H. Michaud
George Miller
James P. Moran
Grace Napolitano
Richard E. Neal
James L. Oberstar
David R. Obey
Frank Pallone
Bill Pascrell
Ed Pastor
Nancy Pelosi
Silvestre Reyes
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Tim Ryan
John T. Salazar
Linda T. Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Jose Serrano
Hilda L. Solis
Bart Stupak
Gene Taylor
Mike Thompson
Nydia Velazquez
Diane Watson
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