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'This Is Not Right'
KOMOTV.com ^ | Jun 18, 2007 | Kevin Reece

Posted on 06/19/2007 8:23:37 PM PDT by FreedomCalls

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To: null and void

What does that have to do with any of it?

Light brown hair, blue eyes, and yes on the latter. None of that has to do with her being searched.

But according to a poster here, I suck as a mother because I allow my kid to get searched. Omgosh. I give up.


41 posted on 06/19/2007 10:39:43 PM PDT by Twink
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To: FreedomCalls

I still can’t believe you went there. I can’t believe you insinuated this from what I posted. I can’t believe you insinuated this at all.

I’m a complete idiot when it comes to message boards.


42 posted on 06/19/2007 10:48:38 PM PDT by Twink
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To: FreedomCalls

I agree and understand it is a small price to pay, yet, on the other hand I want it to be a fair price. When they are taking granny’s butter knife and overlooking the obvious, the price is too high. Why must we insist on pretending we don’t know things we know in this PC bassackwards society? What some would call racial profiling, I would simply call applying a modicum of common sense. I felt more secure just after 911 when there were m-16’s and soldiers around. I think the TSA, Homeland Security and Chertoff are all jokes and I sometimes wonder how many of them are legal citizens, as we have all seen the illegals in there, saw them terminated at different locations and times. Homeland Security only ever needed to be a clearing house for information not this inflated bureaucracy it has become.


43 posted on 06/19/2007 10:57:59 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Duncan Hunter '08 'Doing the jobs Americans aren't willing to do.')
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To: Twink
And on a side note, you’re having a “hard time reconciling your first two sentences with the second two” do you really want to get into a war of words on this? Cos’ if you had difficulty understanding either then you and I couldn’t have a conversation.

I'm sorry -- "war of words"? You said the TSA were "incredibly polite and gentle" then gave a story about how one was "belligerent" and "snatched a lighter out of your hand as if it were a weapon" and told you "not to give him any attitude" and me pointing out the contradictory nature of those statements is a "war of words"? Huh? I see now that you have elaborated on it a bit and you are saying that you were relating the one and only time they were not nice, but I can't see what you think, only what you write, and what you wrote was contradictory.

44 posted on 06/20/2007 1:35:37 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: WildcatClan
I agree and understand it is a small price to pay, yet, on the other hand I want it to be a fair price. When they are taking granny’s butter knife and overlooking the obvious, the price is too high.

That's very well said.

45 posted on 06/20/2007 1:42:11 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Twink
But according to a poster here, I suck as a mother because I allow my kid to get searched.

Now you are getting off into la-la land. Who said that? Who even implied that? If your daughter is getting pulled aside and felt up by security goons, then the problem is with the goons and the people in Washington who empower them and establish the policies and procedures under which they operate. What we are here for is all spelled out right there at the top of the front page:

Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.
The TSA has had too much government largesse handed to it and some of its agents are corrupt (85 felons fired from TSA), and rolling back intrusive searches and mindless applications of useless rules is a long-time staple of conservativism. And don't lose sight of the next sentences either:
And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!

46 posted on 06/20/2007 2:13:45 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
A congressman or his relative had this same mistake last year, and had to plead guilty to a crime and pay a fine and was put on probation.

As to the story, everybody knows you can't bring knives on board. If every time someone is CAUGHT doing so they get to argue that "it was a mistake", then the screening is meaningless. We have to be able to punish people objectively for objectively breaking the rules.

On the trip home, screeners with the Transportation Security Administration at Los Angeles International Airport found it deep in the outside pocket of a carry-on cooler.

The Cooler was a "carry-on", which means it was a SMALL cooler. How "deep" could the outside pocket be? 4 inches? 6 inches? Maybe a full 10 inches "deep"?

It would have taken her a minute to empty the entire contents of the cooler, and repack it. EVERY person should completely empty their carry-on luggage RIGHT before they leave for their flight, and re-pack it carefully, to ensure there's nothing hiding in the bags that would get you in trouble.

47 posted on 06/20/2007 6:51:36 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: FreedomCalls

Club Gitmo Members are treated better than that woman. If I was carrying disposable razors, would they consider me a terrorist?


48 posted on 06/20/2007 7:34:43 AM PDT by wastedyears (Check my profile for links to anti-illegal immigration T-shirts.)
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To: Twink
Light brown hair, blue eyes, and yes on the latter. None of that has to do with her being searched.

Are you seriously that naïve?

49 posted on 06/20/2007 8:19:29 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: Twink
BTW, My Blond and Blue teen-aged daughter went on her first international flight Monday.

I haven’t heard from her yet, but I’d be willing to bet good money that she got searched while a stinky sweaty arabic mumbling male got waved through.

50 posted on 06/20/2007 8:31:12 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: Twink
But according to a poster here, I suck as a mother because I allow my kid to get searched.

Not because you allow it, (like you have a choice!) but because you seem to think it's a fine idea for TSA agents to target her for a feel up every time they can.

51 posted on 06/20/2007 8:54:07 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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52 posted on 06/20/2007 8:55:09 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
should completely empty their carry-on luggage RIGHT before they leave for their flight, and re-pack it carefully, to ensure there's nothing hiding in the bags that would get you in trouble.

Yup. That's what I do, more or less. Learned my lesson years ago when security (pre-TSA) found a speedloader for my .357 in my bag. It was empty, and I had shipped the gun and ammo ahead of me... but the speedloader was down in a pocket I hadn't checked. It caused... some ruckus. :-)

53 posted on 06/20/2007 9:03:43 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Twink
It has nothing to do with your parenting skills, and everything to do with the intentions of the screeners. Since no one really knows how they select the "random" people for screening, you have to take them at their word. Do you really find it hard to believe that some of these screeners don't intentionally choose young, attractive women for their "full search"? I think that's the bigger question here, not whether or not you "suck" (your words) as a mother.
54 posted on 06/20/2007 9:33:18 AM PDT by chief911
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To: Twink

My daughter arrived OK. Four separate flights. Don’t know the details of security, etc., yet.


55 posted on 06/20/2007 9:50:50 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: chief911
I like the system Mexico uses (used?). To get on the plane you press a button.

If you get a green light you simply board.

If you get a red light, expect delays.

A simple random number generator, set the sample percentage to reflect the threat level, and no one has any certainty that they can game the profiling system.

56 posted on 06/20/2007 9:55:15 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

In contrast, in 2003 I was in a Mid-East airport and kept tripping the metal detector.

After emptying my pockets three times, one of the guards tapped my hip with his baton.

Lo and behold I still had my Leatherman on me!

Instead of detaining me, he instructed me to run it back out to my car in the parking lot which I did and then resumed my flight.


57 posted on 06/20/2007 10:23:17 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: Old_Mil
It’s time to get rid of the dept. of homeland securiity and the tsa. We aren’t any safer because these clowns are working at the airports, but we do have another Federal Bureaucracy draining our wallets.

Agreed. More Big Government, courtesy of George W. Bush.

58 posted on 06/20/2007 10:26:37 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Twink

You take a lot more crap from those TSA bottom feeders than I would.


59 posted on 06/20/2007 12:57:30 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't Want illegal Alien Amnesty? Call 800-417-7666)
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To: null and void
What would cause more terror and disruption - taking out an airplane or two, yawn, or destroying a bunch of irreplaceable screening equipment and several airports' worth of cheek by jowl crowded screening lines?

Indeed. The cumulative effect of the nonsense that passes for "security" at airports is almost incalculable. How much lost productivity does it represent? I really couldn't even guess. If you want to really screw something up beyond all reason, all you have to do is involve the government in it.

Really, the only thing government is actually good at is breaking things and killing people.

60 posted on 06/20/2007 1:00:51 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't Want illegal Alien Amnesty? Call 800-417-7666)
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