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Taliban fighters back in caves of Tora Bora
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 6-19-07 | Tom Coghlan

Posted on 06/19/2007 8:55:10 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne

Insurgents backed by al-Qa'eda have opened a new "front" on the eastern border of Afghanistan, re-occupying the Tora Bora cave complex from which Osama bin Laden escaped the closing net of US forces in 2001.

The "Tora Bora Front", as Taliban propaganda calls it, borders the province of Nangahar and has been active for about three weeks. The complex of deep caves, which proved impervious to US bombing in 2001, sits on an infiltration route from the Spin Ghar mountains between Nangahar province and Pakistan's lawless Tribal Areas, where bin Laden is still thought to be hiding.

Western officials and local government authorities confirm that Taliban insurgents backed by al-Qa'eda have reoccupied the complex.

Initial estimates of the Tora Bora force by local Afghan officials put the number at between 200 and 250, including Arab, Chechen and Pakistani fighters.

"They have reoccupied the old base," said Haji Zalmai, the district governor of Khogiani, which borders the Spin Ghar mountains at Tora Bora.

A Taliban propaganda blitz across southern Nangahar has led to "night letters" being dropped in villages boasting of the new front. They warn Afghans of the dire repercussions for supporting the government or western forces.

Officials in Kabul believe that the move is part of a more general strategic shift in the focus of Taliban operations away from their previous epicentre in the southern provinces of Kandahar and Helmand, where a series of offensives by British troops supported by US and other Nato forces has left the Taliban with a battered command structure and weakening morale.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; pakistan; torabora
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Having their as$es handed to them in Helmand....The Tali have decided to move back to Ghar Mtn ranges....Difficult place to fight...No question about that...

Chechens fighters know how to use this area well....but for Taliban/AQ elements to move back here... it is more of an area to try and hide and ekk out a survival then anything offensive....

They'll die there now....or run yet again...

1 posted on 06/19/2007 8:55:15 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

Did they ever give up the lease? Don’t think so - somewhere there has to be someone keeping watch over Osama bin Ladin’s tomb.


2 posted on 06/19/2007 8:56:37 AM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: DevSix
A Taliban propaganda blitz across southern Nangahar has led to "night letters" being dropped in villages boasting of the new front.
Yuh-huh. So why are you dupes reporting this propaganda uncritically? Were you able to verify that Taliban fighters were really deployed there? Or is this a ruse to draw combat power away from real targets to pursue more symbolic ones? Blah-blah-blah. Do you want lots of free media and uncritical attention to pursue whatever goal you specify? Become a terrorist.
3 posted on 06/19/2007 9:02:23 AM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: DevSix

We have some new cave clearing ordinance that needs to be used up.


4 posted on 06/19/2007 9:02:30 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

Better yet, we have some new stuff that has not been used in anger.


5 posted on 06/19/2007 9:05:16 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: DevSix

Idiots. What proof is there OBL “escaped the open net”?

I think his DNA is buried under rubble.


6 posted on 06/19/2007 9:09:20 AM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Deaf Smith
Only real way to clear those caves / Mtns is putting guns on targets via boots on the ground. Difficult, hard, dangerous work.......

The sheer size and unforgivingness of the terrain make clearing them completely d*mn near impossible......But the difference today (and the past 6 years) is our enemies know in their hearts they are no longer safe in these Mtns.

We'll put guys in there....They will hunt them down and kill them......These Mtns for centuries were places of safety. No longer.

7 posted on 06/19/2007 9:10:59 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Deaf Smith

You know, if they’d find the ventilation shafts and flood them with ammonia, they’d flush them out and could pick them off as they leave. It wouldn’t take so much high tech.


8 posted on 06/19/2007 9:12:40 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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I believe those caves are a little dark.

I think we need to brighten their lives with a little “Arc Light”. Don’t you agree?

9 posted on 06/19/2007 9:13:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, now fighting for freedom, on duty in Iraq.)
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To: DevSix
The complex of deep caves, which proved impervious to US bombing in 2001

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10 posted on 06/19/2007 9:16:08 AM PDT by b4its2late (Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: rlmorel
Idiots. What proof is there OBL “escaped the open net”?

I think his DNA is buried under rubble.

I'll agree with you that 90% of those in the MSM are idiots - As for UBL, there are various ways / reasons for knowing he is alive ....and we have guys risking all 24/7 trying to change that reality -

We'll put guns or a JDAM on his sorry as$ one of these days (ditto that for Zawahiri). Reality is, in that area of the world, time was on their side in the short run to ekk out a survival and remain alive.......That equation turns more in our favor each day.

That one piece of HUMINT we are hunting, sweating, bleeding for is going to come in....and we'll bag his as$.

11 posted on 06/19/2007 9:17:56 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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Forget the fact that tunnels run to Pakistani sanctuaries, we're not taking
any chances this time. We're sending Rambo Kerry to wipe them out.


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12 posted on 06/19/2007 9:18:45 AM PDT by OESY
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pump the caves full of diesel and spark tem off...


13 posted on 06/19/2007 9:20:22 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: OESY

((((((sHUDder)))))) That is one freaky pic.


14 posted on 06/19/2007 9:21:59 AM PDT by tioga (Fred Thompson for President.)
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To: b4its2late
Bombing Tora Bora & Ghar Mtns at times was effective and at other times extremely ineffective -

Regarding Op Anaconda (which this author indirectly is mentioning) the reality is hundreds and hundreds of AQ/Taliban (and their Chechen/Uzbek supports) died in those mountains during that Operation......They did at times put up stiff resistance while holding the high-ground in numerous areas (AQ/Chechens that is)....but they were throughly defeated over the course of the Op. And they died in the hundreds.

Did we drop a hell of a lot of ordinance from fast-movers during it? Without a doubt! Was it all directly effective....No, not by a long shot.

But when one understands that region and fighting in that terrain you understand air power isn't going to have the same kill percentages as it does it most other areas. But it most assuredly keeps the enemies heads down!....And that is a victory enough.....while boots are moving on them.

15 posted on 06/19/2007 9:22:46 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
"This not good...."


16 posted on 06/19/2007 9:23:58 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Dumpster Baby

Great pic....


17 posted on 06/19/2007 9:24:49 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
The "Tora Bora Front", as Taliban propaganda calls it, borders the province of Nangahar and has been active for about three weeks.

All good things must come to an end in say oh, three and a half weeks.

18 posted on 06/19/2007 9:29:08 AM PDT by lowbridge ("The mainstream media IS the Democratic Party." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: DevSix
Ah yes... the cavemen!

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19 posted on 06/19/2007 9:36:34 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: All

Just get some “man” size Rodenators:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/28916/rodenator/


20 posted on 06/19/2007 9:40:45 AM PDT by epaul
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