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Washington’s Secret Gun Files
NY Times ^ | June 16, 2007 | RAYMOND W. KELLY

Posted on 06/19/2007 1:25:47 AM PDT by neverdem

A NARROWLY divided Congress will vote in the coming days on whether to renew legislation that stops the federal government from sharing with local police departments and prosecutors crucial information about guns used in crimes. The Tiahrt amendment, first passed in 2003, prohibits Washington from releasing crime data about guns that used to be provided to state and local law enforcement. If House members reauthorize the measure, they will harm efforts to curtail gun violence in this country.

When a gun is recovered from a crime scene, the police ask the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to trace the weapon’s provenance. Yet when our officers request the trace data for all gun crimes, the Tiahrt amendment stops us dead in our tracks — even though this aggregate information would tell us which individuals and dealers are most often involved in buying and selling guns that end up in the hands of criminals. In New York City, about 90 percent of the guns used in crimes come from out of state. Without full access to national trace data, it is far more difficult for our officers to disrupt the “iron pipeline” that brings illegal guns to our streets.

Trace data combined with other information can be a rich source for police investigations. The firearms bureau acknowledges that numerous traces from a single dealer to guns used in crimes are grounds for suspicion. Yet Congress undermines the value of the government’s data repository by requiring local police departments to investigate illegal gun trafficking rings without this information.

The defenders of the amendment — including the Republican representative who introduced it, Todd Tiahrt of Kansas — contend that it protects the anonymity of undercover officers and the confidentiality of law enforcement investigations. But there is no reason we cannot protect...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloomberg; bloomberggestapo; nyc; tiahrtamendment
Raymond W. Kelly is the police commissioner of New York City.

This is just more agitprop from a Bloomberg flunky.

Tiahrt Responds to MAIG Campaign of Lies and Distortion

1 posted on 06/19/2007 1:25:49 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The NYT weighs in on the Second Amendment. If anyone ever proposed to treat the First Amendment as the “newspaper of record” proposes to treat the Second, the entire staff of the rag would, of course, be screaming bloody murder; but hypocrisy is a prerogative of the MSM.


2 posted on 06/19/2007 1:30:35 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: neverdem

Kelly is a good man.


3 posted on 06/19/2007 1:40:50 AM PDT by FremontLives (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness- Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: neverdem

Also what they’re talking about makes sense. The use of guns by criminals makes things harder for the rest of us law abiding gun owners. Kelly is by no means a flunky. I don’t doubt that Bloomberg is coming for my Glock though.


4 posted on 06/19/2007 1:43:44 AM PDT by FremontLives (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness- Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: neverdem
In New York City, about 90 percent of the guns used in crimes come from out of state.

I suspect that there are DAMN few gun manufacturers that remain within the state of New York, which then to me, makes this 90% figure suspect. I would have anticipated the number to be much higher percentage wise.
5 posted on 06/19/2007 3:23:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: FremontLives
“Also what they’re talking about makes sense. The use of guns by criminals makes things harder for the rest of us law abiding gun owners. Kelly is by no means a flunky. I don’t doubt that Bloomberg is coming for my Glock though.”

It is meant to appear to make sense. It does not really make sense however. Its purpose is not to stop crime but to enable lawsuits against manufacturers as a part of a large strategy to delegitimize firearms ownership and to ultimately go down the path of Great Britain to the disarming of the American people.

The logic makes no more sense than New York saying that most automobiles used in crime are manufactured outside of the state, and that they have to be able to determine who made them in order to crack down on the manufacturers.

The whole idea of preventing crime through registration, tracing, and denial of access to guns by criminals, by making them difficult for ordinary citizens to obtain, is foolish, wrong, and a direct attack on the second Amendment.

6 posted on 06/19/2007 3:43:59 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: FremontLives
“Also what they’re talking about makes sense. The use of guns by criminals makes things harder for the rest of us law abiding gun owners. Kelly is by no means a flunky. I don’t doubt that Bloomberg is coming for my Glock though.”

It is meant to appear to make sense. It does not really make sense however. Its purpose is not to stop crime but to enable lawsuits against manufacturers as a part of a large strategy to delegitimize firearms ownership and to ultimately go down the path of Great Britian to the disarming of the American people.

The logic makes no more sense than New York saying that most automobiles used in crime are manufactured outside of the state, and that they have to be able to determine who made them in order to crack down on the manufacturers.

The whole idea of preventing crime through registration, tracing, and denial of access to guns by criminals, by making them difficult for ordinary citizens to obtain, is foolish, wrong, and a direct attack on the second Amendment.

7 posted on 06/19/2007 3:44:51 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: neverdem

While working for a dealer in New Jersey, one of our stores had a customer who got busted. His brother was a jerk and turned him in for having a 30 round magazine. The cops found the mag and confiscated every gun the guy owned. There were around fifty of them. And they ran a trace on every single one.

We had to go through the records of three stores because the guns were often transferred between each store to balance the inventory before they were sold. And the cops could claim that they traced 50 ‘crime guns’ to us. None of the guns were illegal and none of them were used in criminal acts. But, the store that sold most of the guns to this customer got a warning letter from BATFE that they were put on double secret probation because of the inordinate number of ‘crime guns’ traced to them.

This is what Bloomberg is trying to do. He’s a scumbag.


8 posted on 06/19/2007 3:47:28 AM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: riverrunner
The whole idea of preventing crime through registration, tracing, and denial of access to guns by criminals, by making them difficult for ordinary citizens to obtain, is foolish, wrong, and a direct attack on the second Amendment.

Not to mention the fact that no state has any legal jurisdiction out side its state borders. The act of new york city to send people to other state to make straw purchase was an illegal act and those people should have been arrested and put in jail.

9 posted on 06/19/2007 4:03:08 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Just remember that Bloomberg is a megalomaniac.

State boundaries mean nothing to this billionaire fanatic.


10 posted on 06/19/2007 4:47:36 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Joe Brower; neverdem
Bang

Continue To Urge Support Of Tiahrt Amendment

11 posted on 06/19/2007 6:09:28 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF *GOA*SAS)
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To: neverdem
....the No. 1 public safety threat facing our officers and the American public: illegal gun-trafficking rings.... I am speechless. Dear Mr. Commissioner, have you visited the World Trade Center recently? Maybe, perhaps, there is different "No. 1" threat out there. Maybe?
12 posted on 06/19/2007 6:20:57 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: FremontLives

Bloomburg couldn’t care less about your Glock. He wants to go on a fishing expedition to allow him to sue Glock and their US distributors and retailers into bankruptcy, so that no more Glocks, or Smiths, or, well, you get the idea, are sold.

And your boy Kelly can’t be a “good man” if he is shilling for this transparent scheme.


13 posted on 06/19/2007 8:14:31 AM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: FremontLives

Sorry but I disagree. He is a political lacky like all in his position in large cities. He and cops like him make me ill. Their oath means nothing compared to their power and paycheck. A honest man would resign.


14 posted on 06/19/2007 9:13:49 AM PDT by therut
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To: neverdem

BATF = Barbarians Against Truth & Freedom !!!


15 posted on 06/19/2007 10:48:47 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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