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1 posted on 06/18/2007 8:36:12 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

keyword search: “Sarindar”

The Russians planned this.


2 posted on 06/18/2007 8:37:12 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Starman417
Moreover, if the WMD once did exist (as Saddam, the UN, and the Clinton and Bush Administrations as well as the world all acknowledge)….then where are they?

Damn good question.

4 posted on 06/18/2007 8:47:59 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: Starman417
Nothing short of Nuclear tipped missles would satisfy Anti-War types. Whatever was contained in the massive truck traffic to Syria was more than Uday's Porn collection.

Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief

6 posted on 06/18/2007 8:53:23 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Starman417
It's amazing how little reporting was done on this story. If Zarqawi had succeeded, it was estimated over 80,000 people could have been killed in Jordan with WMD's from Syria. There was even a trial which did not receive media attention. It doesn't say it here but the truck came into Jordan from SYRIA!

Jordan says major al Qaeda plot disrupted Authorities: Chemical cloud would have been released in Amman

Monday, April 26, 2004 Posted: 3:54 PM EDT (1954 GMT)

Jordanian officials seized tons of chemicals in what they say was an Al Qaeda chemical attack plot.

ON CNN TV
Jordanians say they thwarted an al Qaeda bomb plot that would have been worse than 9/11 attack. See the suspected terrorists' taped confessions on CNN's NewsNight with Aaron Brown at 10 pm ET.

AMMAN, Jordan (CNN) -- Jordanian authorities said Monday they have broken up an alleged al Qaeda plot that would have unleashed a deadly cloud of chemicals in the heart of Jordan's capital, Amman.

The plot would have been more deadly than anything al Qaeda has done before, including the September 11 attacks, according to the Jordanian government.

Among the alleged targets were the U.S. Embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office and the headquarters of Jordanian intelligence.

U.S. intelligence officials expressed caution about whether the chemicals captured by Jordanian authorities were intended to create a "toxic cloud" chemical weapon, but they said the large quantities involved were at a minimum intended to create "massive explosions."

Officials said there is debate within the CIA and other U.S. agencies over whether the plotters were planning to kill innocent people using toxic chemicals.

At issue is the presence of a large quantity of sulfuric acid among the tons of chemicals seized by Jordanian authorities. Sulfuric acid can be used as a blister agent, but it more commonly can increase the size of conventional explosions, according to U.S. officials.

Nevertheless, U.S. intelligence officials called the capture of tons of chemicals that together could create several large conventional explosions "a big deal."

The plot was within days of being carried out, Jordanian officials said, when security forces broke it up April 20.

In a nighttime raid in Amman, Jordanian security forces moved in on the terrorist cell. After the shooting stopped, four men were dead. Jordanian authorities said. They said at least three others were arrested, including Azmi Jayyousi, the cell's suspected ringleader, whom Jordanian intelligence alleges was responsible for planning and recruiting.

On a confession shown on state-run Jordanian television, Jayyousi said he took orders from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a suspected terrorist leader who has been linked to al Qaeda and whom U.S. officials have said is behind some attacks in Iraq. ...


7 posted on 06/18/2007 9:02:48 PM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Starman417

it is worthless to even speak about this to a liberal. THey start screeching like a howler monkey and say “That’s what dick cheney and halliburton want you to belieeeeevvveee!!!!”


8 posted on 06/18/2007 9:06:05 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Islam cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas, so they car bomb it instead.)
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To: Starman417

Yes, you are right. Sanitized rooms were found, as were witnesses, documents, and there even have been road side bombs that used Sarin gas. A preponderance of evidence suggests that you are correct.

However, this issue has gone political, emotional, and the battle in public opinion is lost. The media is looking for conflict because that sells the story. They are overwhelmingly liberal and often even outright anti-military. The media locked on to this single angle and beat the perception that there were no WMD in Iraq into the public’s consciousness. Some like Newsweek veil this bull$hit with statements like “No substantial WMD finds were made.” Politically this is echoed as well since it’s seen as an angle of attack on the legitimacy of this war and specifically the administration since this war is seen as the administrations doing, which it isn’t, but that’s a different topic.

The bottom line here is that yes you are right but it’s a moot point. Most likely these “non-existent” WMD will resurface at some point. At that time this won’t make a difference either. The politicians and irresponsible media playing their games will not be held accountable. Most of these politicians will be gone and seldom do people look back unless it’s something flamboyant like Kerry with his testimony, riding on the wave of the anti-war sentiment.

Other than self gratification you won’t achieve much by going down this road.


10 posted on 06/18/2007 9:09:23 PM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Starman417

Wherever the WMD went, whether it’s buried or destroyed, anyone who thinks Saddam didn’t have it is delusional. Just ask any Democrat before 2000.


11 posted on 06/18/2007 9:53:59 PM PDT by Sender (I know I left my country around here somewhere. Reward if found.)
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To: jveritas

PING


12 posted on 06/18/2007 10:56:45 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Starman417

bookmark


18 posted on 06/19/2007 6:04:12 AM PDT by CarolinaGOP ("Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Starman417; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; ...
Part II:

Did Saddam’s WMD Go to Syria? Part II

*********************************EXCERPT***************************

Posted by Scott Malensek on June 19, 2007 at 8:17 AM

In December 2002, Russia’s Middle East envoy, Yevgeny Primakov (former Russian Intelligence Chief), flew to Baghdad under the front of making one last chance for peace with the dictator. As soon as his plane landed, it was allegedly loaded with “sensitive materials” and flown directly to Belarus. People speculate as to whether or not it was WMD, WMD equipment, documents, people, or things the Russians didn’t want the US to get their hands on, but in any event…the plane was loaded with things the US wanted. He also allegedly brought Russian GPS jammers to confuse American satellite-guided bombs, night vision goggles, special anti-tank missiles, and Russian advisors.

American forces found the jammers, and that’s no secret since the Air Force was happy to boast that the jammers were ineffective (USAF just boosted the signal from their satellites so that it was “louder” than those from the jammers).

Syria and Russia both sent night-vision sights and goggles to Iraq, and they were recovered by American forces.

The anti-tank missiles did stop an Abrams tank and kill its crew. Others reportedly were ineffective, but evidence of their use is indisputable given the unique signature that their shaped charge left on the tanks that were hit.

Two Russian Generals, Gen. Vladimir Achalov, a former commander of airborne and rapid-reaction forces, and Gen. Igor Maltsev, a leading expert in air defense systems were reported in Baghdad up until 6 days before the war. During their “visit” they were photographed being given medals by Iraqi Defence Minister Sultan Hashim Akhmed. Other smiley photographs include the two Russian Generals standing with head of the General Staff of the Iraqi Army Izzat Ibragim between them. Upon their return to Russia, the generals were asked why they went on a “last-chance” diplomatic mission. They replied, “We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee.” One wonders if all the elements of the story were proven true, could the claim of “special weapons” being moved out be less true than the other elements?

Immediately after the arrival of the Russians in Baghdad, retired USAF Lt Gen. James R Clapper Jr-then head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency-monitored an increasing flow of traffic and communication from Iraq to Syria. Former head of the UN’s WMD inspection group, UNSCOM, Richard Butler, was asked to review the imagery. He agreed that Iraq appeared to be moving weapons out of Iraq, but did not think that “the Iraqis wanted to give them to Syria, but…just wanted to get them out of the territory, out of range of our inspections.” Syria was prepared to be the custodian of them.” The entire idea was nearly identical to when Saddam sent his entire air force to Iran for safe-keeping during Desert Storm.

Israeli intelligence (flush with human intelligence sources in the region-particularly in Syria, and Lebanon) reported that the increased traffic was Saddam’s repositioning of WMD to Syria. On December 23, 2002, Ariel Sharon stated on Israeli channel 2 television, "Chemical and biological weapons which Saddam is endeavoring to conceal have been moved from Iraq to Syria.” About three weeks later, Israel's foreign minister repeated the accusation. The U.S., British, and Australian governments issued similar statements.

Opponents to the war like to point to the 1000+ pages of the Duelfer Report and summarize it as “NO WMD,” but there’s a lot more to Moby Dick than 5 letters. Not even an elementary school student would dare turn in a 5-letter book report on Melville’s epic. Similarly the ISG’s report contains a lot more than just “NO WMD.” It is a resounding verification that, yes, there was a great deal of ‘something’ secreted out of Saddam’s Iraq into Syria. While the ISG doesn’t claim that it was in fact WMD in those trucks, it does leave that door open because of the clandestine nature and the assembly areas for the convoys that left Iraq for Syria would be consistent with WMD, WMD  equipment, documentation, and even personnel.

Given that there is so much evidence that Saddam’s illegal weapons, programs, documents, and equipment existed and were moved rather than did not exist and were destroyed, it seems that logic has turned. There’s simply more evidence it was moved than there is any evidence of WMD destruction. Yet, the debate from those who oppose prefers to ignore evidence and pretend that fictional evidence of destruction exists. That door to reality is creaking open for the opposition, and as such it’s no wonder that the anti-war movement is shattering, the Democratic Party is spinning, and opponents to the war are confused.

First part here.

19 posted on 06/19/2007 10:35:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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