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To: Theo

I want you to back that claim up. Nothing Jesus said not one thing was anti-evolution nor did anything he said contradict evolutionary science. In fact If anything Jesus told his followers to view the Old testament for what it was a story and that he was here on Earth to replace those stories with his word and his law.

So lets get cracking and post what Jesus had to say on this subject. Of course you will come up lacking because you want to speak for Jesus rather than listen to what he said.


56 posted on 06/17/2007 7:52:55 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: sentis1

Well, there is that thing He said about the “jot and tittle”.


60 posted on 06/17/2007 8:00:11 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

Old testament for what it was a story and that he was here on Earth to replace those stories with his word and his law.

What Jesus and Old Testament are you talking about?


64 posted on 06/17/2007 8:08:16 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: sentis1

“In fact If anything Jesus told his followers to view the Old testament for what it was a story and that he was here on Earth to replace those stories with his word and his law.”

Really? And where is it written that the ten commandments are just suggestions now? Jesus came not to replace the Mosaic Law but to provide the ultimate loophole. Check out 1 John 1:9.


144 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:54 PM PDT by Grunthor (Imwithfred.com)
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To: sentis1; ga medic

I appreciate your interest, and for giving me an opportunity to address your questions.

The entire premise of Jesus’ incarnation was to save humanity from sin and death, something introduced by Adam in the Garden of Eden (see 1 Cor. 15:22, Romans 5:12, Romans 5:17, and of course the first chapters of Genesis). Sin and death (a key element of evolution) did not exist prior to Adam’s sin, according to Scripture (”sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin”). Scripture is clear that the first human was Adam, and that He was intentionally created as the first by God, Eve then being created second (1 Cor. 15:45, 1 Tim. 2:13, and Genesis).

Jesus believed that the Old Testament was true, in fact and not just as metaphor. He spoke of Jonah as fact, for example, and not just as a story (Matthew 16:4, Luke 11:30). He spoke of Noah’s flood as a fact (Matthew 24: 37-39, Luke 17:26), and not merely as a metaphorical story. The burning bush, according to Jesus, was fact (Mark 12: 26). The destruction of Sodom was fact, according to Jesus (Luke 17:28-29). And so on.

And Jesus spoke of how God “from the beginning” made humanity “male and female” (Matthew 19:4, Mark 10:6). This doesn’t allow for a gradual evolution from slime, but an intentional creation of distinct sexes, “from the beginning.”

Something interesting to remember is that Jesus existed in spiritual form prior to His incarnation. He saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven, for example (Luke 10:18). He existed before Abraham (John 8:58). And through Him all things came into being (John 1:1-3). He was there prior to and during creation (John 17:24), so when He speaks of ancient history, he’s speaking as one who has witnessed it, not as one merely proposing or propagating a theory.

Note John 5:46-47, in which Jesus says that if you believe the words He spoke, you will also believe the words that Moses wrote. Jesus is giving His stamp of approval on all of Genesis, for example, including the creation account.

Moses wrote explicitly that each creature reproduced “according to its kind.” A pre-human didn’t have a human as an offspring, but humans produced humans. This term “according to its kind” is repeated numerous times, perhaps for such a time as this, when many think that creatures reproduce “differently from its kind.”

Jesus said, “For whoever is ashamed of me AND MY WORDS in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed ...” (Mark 8:38, Luke 9:26). His words are difficult, sometimes going against common sense. But I am not ashamed of His words, though they go against the prevailing through of today’s “wise men.” I pray you are not ashamed of His words either.


209 posted on 06/18/2007 10:11:07 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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