Posted on 06/17/2007 10:19:57 AM PDT by wagglebee
Well..OF COURSE.
I’ve heard women bemoan that there are no quality, committed men around, but I like to get them to confess that in fact, there are just no quality, committed men who seem interested in them.
It’s an important distinction.
HA....I was at dinner with friends a few weeks ago...their daughter and 3 of her friends were there bemoaning the unavailability of men (they ranged from 21-29).....they were talking of their “Lists” of qualificiations....one saying he had to wear cowboy boots! I ALMOST said...do you THINK MAYBE guys have LISTS too? (3 out of the 4 were over weight!) I did suggest that they had to be INTERESTED in COMMITMENT if they were going to sign on to E-Harmony...when they were discussing that route. I do wish I HAD said something about MENS LISTS! Oh, well, next time. And, yes, I’m female. And, yes, I know what you mean, as I have step-granddaughters whom I would NOT set you up with - they’re mother made them into trash.
Just calling it fair & square. I know many very attractive women back in NYC who have a hard time getting 2nd dates. From where they are sitting, it appears to mostly be the men’s fault.
Frankly, I don’t blame most men for rejecting them. They just don’t bring a lot to the table.
An anthill-like society composed entirely of females and possibly a few limp-wristed males would be the ultimate feminist and collectivist paradise. Eliminating the need for fathers is all about empowering the state.
OK. English isn’t my first language. I’ll try again. If men had been respectful of women in more ways than walking on the outside of the sidewalk and opening doors, I doubt divorce would be as prevalent as it is today. It takes more than good manners. Most men these days don’t even have those. (myself included)
The Brave New World the feminists helped create is about to descend into a morass of violence and anarchy such as the world has never seen. In light of this, I would say feminazism is passe.
Well, I don’t entirely agree. As a general principle, people should treat other people well, and men should extend a higer level of conduct to women.
However, if someone doesn’t reciprocate, or demonstrates that they don’t deserve to be treated well, then I think they should be treated accordingly.
Men get in trouble when they treat rotten women very well. Women get into trouble when they treat rotten men very well.
Being gentlemanly to a rotten woman won’t lover divorce, or necessarily inspire a rotten woman to be a better quality person.
I have many friends that think their wives should work and carry half of the burden. I have one friend who has twin boys who are around 4 and his wife stays home. He truly believes that she is watching tv all day.
I worked a 24/48 shift when my kids were small, so I did my share of childcare/housework. It saved a lot of money on daycare, and my wife was happy to work, if I took care of them. I learned real quick that staying home doesn’t mean watching tv. Now, we try to split up the workload as best we can. If I suggested that my wife should do all the kids/housework, I would be an “ex” really quickly.
Not saying that being nice to someone will change how they treat you at all. Probably won’t. I meant that men are responsible for their share of the increased divorce rate too. It can’t all be blamed on feminists or women in general.
I agree 100%. That’s not to say more gentlemanly behavior would decrease divorces, though. I do think it would be a good thing in any event.
I also think gentlemanly behavior is a good thing. I tried to teach my sons to be respectful and considerate, as did my wife.
My 16 year old son was recently playing in a basketball tournament in Houston. (I wasn’t there, but his coach verified what happened). They were on a bus, when a woman got on and there were no more seats. Apparently she was fairly hefty in size. My son got up to offer her a seat, just like we taught him to do for a female of any age or condition. She hit him with her purse and said “do I look old or pregnant to you?”
I doubt he will offer his seat to anyone again, and I can’t say that I blame him.
I do that kind of stuff, too. Can’t say I ever got a negative reaction for it, though.
Boy, is THAT ever true. There has always been a tension between men and women, shown by the lines from a Randy Travis song, "As long as old men sit and talk about the weather. As long as old women sit and talk about old men."
Men and women have always bitched about the other, for whatever reasons, but feminism introduce a real bitterness and anger into the equation. Yes, there have been some men who were real jerks, and truly deserved it when their wives left them and took the kids; I have some family who fit that description. And yes, women did need some help from the government to level the playing field, or at least make the hill a little less steep for women in some fields.
But the feminists ruined it for themselves when they hung their entire reason for being on the right of women to kill their unborn children, at any stage of development for any reason, or NO reason, because motherhood was holding women back. And by bullying lawmakers into taking the father of the baby out of the equation completely, they began the wholesale push to destroy fatherhood altogether. In the minds of the rabid feminists, men are the source of all their problems, and the first men in their lives were their fathers, so naturally, that position needs to be taken down, so young women coming up won't experience the same problems with the 'patriarchy'.
I've also found that a demand for consensus leads to a dictatorship of the most obstinate. And when that happens, the most obstinate generally turns out to be a woman who has nothing better to do with her day than argue until she gets her way
Thanks for the ping.
It's good to do your best to try to build consensus, in the sense of being an effective advocate for your point of view, plus having enough humility to recognise when an approach you initially thought good is not the best solution, or when the difference between positions is just not that important
But abandoning a position you think is right and important, just to end the argument, can be cowardice
Consensus is the road to mediocrity. A leaders job is to have a vision and the way to carry out that vision. Being a team player where consensus is not voluntary, like working for a company, is to provide details that would help in arriving at the leaders vision.
The root cause is that those immature girls have unresolved stuff about their own fathers (and men in general). They don't have healthy relationships with men, and they'll be damned if other women do.
Very apt observation. The "experts" at relating are almost always whining unhappy and unfulfilled. Gee I wonder why.
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