Posted on 06/15/2007 6:07:01 PM PDT by mack1998
I guess it could be they want to discourage you from flying? Since, you are flying free and all. Of course, this was an agreement the airlines entered into...but like pension agreements-most agreements are made to be broken
It’s only US Airways so far. Never the company for whom I worked.
“I guess it could be they want to discourage you from flying? Since, you are flying free and all. Of course, this was an agreement the airlines entered into...but like pension agreements-most agreements are made to be broken.”
No, they don’t want to discourage us from flying. We’re free to show up at the airport and fly anywhere. US Airways just has some wierd thing in their computer. I really haven’t taken the time to write their executive offices to find out if I could correct it.
I retired in 2003, and my pension is fine, along with health care....(Blue Cross/Blue Shield). The company made a deal with anyone who retired back then, so I pay less than $50/month premium. My seniority goes back to 1966. I’ve been very lucky.
The people who didn’t retire yet are the ones who are always fighting for their pay, pensions, health care, etc. They are working longer hours now than I did for the same pay. It’s a fun job, though, with plenty of benefits.
I live in Atlanta area. Delta has treated their current employees horribly. I am happy that your experience is a happy one. I hope you are able to correct this mistake easily so as not to be inconvenienced.
Really - That is was constitutes 'torture'? Oh my.
Unbelievable. She caused her own grief.
No, that is not what happened. Watch the video again.
She deliberately spilled the water from the sippy cup (1:00 minutes into the video) well before any of that happened. She had been left alone by all of the TSA agents at that point. She is the one who chose to stop, and dump the contents of her sippy cup.
She chose to take her child out of the stroller and let him run around free. She could have held her child. Why didn't she?
And they DID NOT allow her to drink the water - She could have tipped it up and had it gone in less than 5 seconds. But no - it was far more of a power trip to argue with her, and escort her to another PUBLIC area to harass her.
Again, your assertions are not supported by facts. The TSA agents clearly escorted her to the public area and were leaving her alone when she chose to dump the contents of her sippy cup on the floor.
As for her 'not being allowed to drink the water', this was her big moment, her staring roll to do so. What did she do instead? She dumped it on the floor in the middle of the walkway.
Did this woman "cop an attitude"? Maybe -
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. We all know better than to dump the contents of a drink onto the middle of the floor of a major walkway. We all know that many stores have been sued for millions for 'slips and falls'. Furthermore, she is not an 'ordinary citizen', she is a government employee, a secret service person no less. She knows better.
(and the video does NOT clear the TSA, despite some posters' here desire to deride the woman)
Yes, it does. It does so clearly and consisely.
none of us can say for certain what happened outside of what we can see and read.
Yes, but we can see what happened in this instant. The woman chose to dump the contents on the floor instead of drinking them.
That willful act, destroys all of her other claims.
At that point, she is alone. There is nobody hassling her or harrassing her. Just moments before, they had shown her where she could to dispose of the contents and left her.
Instead, she chooses to dump the contents right there on the floor.
The actions of the two TSA agents are not stellar at that moment. One is awestruck and the other just stands there.
It is the blue shirted officer (probably the city police) who sees it from a distance who gets up and comes over and starts talking to her.
In point of fact, it is this officer and not any TSA agent who she is talking to when she chooses to remove her toddler from the stroller and to let him run free.
Considering that the TSA has a reputation that is less than stellar (and I too have encountered some super folks in the TSA when I have traveled), and that this story is NOT out of character for well publicized problems with the TSA,
Ah, so this is a vendeta on your part against the TSA. That explains it.
Sorry, neither my daughter nor I have had any problems with the TSA. Your defaming of their reputation does not hold any water - sippy cup or otherwise - with me.
I tend to at least try to see what point the woman might have had.
Okay, I'll try. Hmmm, lets see what kind of statement I can does it make for her to intentionally spill water on the floor where someone can slip and fall on it... I give up.
IF she indeed intentionally poured the water on the floor (which I still contend it does NOT appear she did), she was wrong.
Yes, she was VERY wrong.
The blue shirted lady officer (police officer?) was right to accost her for it and to ensure she cleansu up her mess.
Look at the video again. At the 1:00 minute mark, does she act like someone who 'accidentally' spilled the water?
For example, did she drop the cup? NO, did she only drop part of the contents? NO; Does she shake the cup empty? YES. Does she ever raise the cup up to her lips? NO.
Does the black male TSA agent appear to be shocked by her behavior? Yes - check out the motion of his head.
On the other hand - what brought her to that decision (hypothetically)?
Hmmm, an attitude problem? Perhaps it was her desire for a fellow traveler to slip and fall and break his/her leg?
The guard pointed to where she could go to dispose of the water, perhaps she was just too tired to walk that far?
I am a firm believer in picking my fights in the world. I'm running behind, my toddler has a sippy cup of water (or milk, or juice, or whatever). I get stopped at security for that sippy cup - OK fine I will comply, just let me drink it myself and be on my way
Ah, but would you even let it get that far. There is a long line to get up to security in the first place. Being a good, law abiding citizen, you would reread the rules. You would know that the sippy cup has to be empty to go through and you would drink it in line. So when you do finally get up to the TSA checkpoint, there is no problem.
No scene, no problems.
(would take far longer than some of the semi-strip searches the TSA is known for) and won't hold the line up any further.
Do you have a problem with the occasional strip searches of passengers? I don't.
I sure don't want a 'shoe bomber' to be on my plane.
I don't want them going into the bathroom and mixing the contents of 'sippy cup 1' with the contents of 'sippy cup 2' and blowing the plane up that way either.
But wait- the TSA would rather make a scene by not allowing me to drink the water and move on. Instead, they want me to go dump it in a water fountain or sink, or whatever, thus escorting me out of a line I just spent significant time waiting in. Now I am running out of time to catch my flight...
There is the key phrase. A 'significant time waiting in'. In other words, our impatient lady had plenty of time to comply with the disposal of her water bottle and the contents of the sippy cup.
Now - lets look at it from the TSA point of view.
Sure, lets.
The terrorists tried to blow up one plane with a shoe. Therefore the shoes have to come off and be inspected.
Laptop computers and other devices are also an easy means to sneak a bomb on board. We had better check those also. There are 100 to 300 lives depending on us.
And now, they have arrested a group in the U.K. who concocted a plan to mix two ordinary liquids on the plane to create the explosive in place. Hmmm, how do we stop that.
Furthermore, they are looking for white, innocent looking people to take their devices on the plane and explode them.
I am suppose to prevent liquids over a certain volume in containers over a certain size. Here comes a woman who is waiting with the rest of the cattle. She has a toddler with a liquid in a sippy cup. She informs me that it is water. I tell her that it is not allowed (for whatever reason - it is my job). She is frustrated, maybe even growing a bit argumentative, but she offers to just drink the water and pass one. Hmmm... what do I do?
Are you sure it is water? There are a lot of inorganic chemicals that look just like water. Perhaps it is a strong acid? or a base?
Do I let her drink it and move on - thus keeping the line moving, and preventing a scene (and in no way compromising safety), or do I pull her out of line, threaten to arrest her, continue to argue the point, but not let her drink the liquid (water), and then escalate the encounter by forcing her to leave the security line - while the woman is visibly growing more upset?
You seem to place a priority on not making women upset.
Someone is suppose to be the professional. IN this case, the TSA did not represent that position.
I think they did. The woman's position has NO credibility in my mind. She destroyed her credibility by dumping the water on the floor.
And as a side - I guess I would have screwed up were I to have gone on a flight with my 3 yr. old and 19 month old in the last few weeks. As I posted, I was under the impression that the rules had been loosened a bit for children's drinks (like water, juice, etc.). I very well could have wound up in a similar situation as this woman - with a couple of sippy cups with drink in them.
Well I guess if people like you conntinue to make a fuss, we can get the regulations relaxed enough that the bad guys can exploit the loop hole you create.
After all, the reason they used box cutters is because that was the largest blade they were allowed to bring on the flight.
I consider traveling with a toddler an arduous experience having done so many times. This poor woman is pushed out of the security line for a sippy cup of water. She should have been allowed to drink it. This would have ended the situation, but no the TSA nazis could not allow this. Next, she pour the water out in order to get back in line or spills it whatever. Then these bozo’s make her clean up the water on her hands and knees. This is after she shows them a SS ID card. They know she is not a threat-hey they don’t like her-payback time bi***. This is clearly an abuse of power by TSA in my opinion. She misses her plane and is humiliated. This is torture in my book. Shame on you TSA-you suck.
Also, since you are a Dad-which I would think means you are male, your reaction surprises me-defending TSA. My husband was livid when he saw the video and said no gentleman would tolerate such treatment of a woman with a small child-I’m just saying...
Personally, I would never have cleaned anything. Let them arrest me for three ounces spilled (deliberate or not) of water on the floor. Heck, I’ve seen lowlifes spit on the floors of airports.
I expect- after reading your post to the other freeper that terrorists can merely place their ‘presents’ in the luggage which is not checked. If you think these stupid regulations make us safe, you are sadly mistaken.
“If you think these stupid regulations make us safe, you are sadly mistaken.”
You are so right!
By the way, did you see this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzqFz_nHZE
Thanks-very funny!
And less than 1/3 of the way through your extensive post, we see the contradictions begin... At the point YOU claim she intentionally dumped the water on the floor (I have watched the video repeatedly and still cannot see proof that she INTENTIONALLY spilled the water... but that is beside the point), she was no longer anywhere near the security checkpoint that I was referring too. She was NOT allowed to drink the water, instead being forced to go BACK through the apparently busy/long line for security over something that could have been rectified in less than 5 seconds.
The rest of your post simply continues with the assumptions that the video does NOT prove.
I for one am done with this thread and the story as a whole. You obviously have your opinion, and I have mine. Neither of us were there as eye witnesses, so I guess we are stuck at that point.
One thing that I might suggest in case you ever face TSA (or airport security) that treats you wrong (in your opinion)... don't post about it here because someone will call you a lier and support the TSA...
Just goes to show that most of theTSA Bozos have sh!t for brains.
All luggage is checked - especially the checked luggage.
... If you think these stupid regulations make us safe, you are sadly mistaken.
Well what would you prefer for us to do. Not inspect any luggage or passengers?
Until we win the war on terrorism, these precautions are necessary.
Oh, so because you have seen somebody else has act like a 'lowlife', you think it would be okay for you to act that way as well?
I consider traveling with a toddler an arduous experience having done so many times.
You are far from the only person who has ever traveled with a toddler. It is not an excuse for bad behavior.
This poor woman is pushed out of the security line for a sippy cup of water.
PUSHED? Ahem, PUSHED?
There is no sign of any pushing by the TSA agent who escorts her.
She should have been allowed to drink it. This would have ended the situation,
She chose to dump it on the floor instead of drinking it. You can see her shake her cup empty.
but no the TSA nazis could not allow this.
Name calling the TSA agents is not productive.
There are no TSA agents or cops around her when she does this. The choice is hers and hers alone.
Next, she pour the water out in order to get back in line or spills it whatever.
whatever? That is a big difference in behavior between the two.
Then these bozo’s make her clean up the water on her hands and knees.
Actually, the TSA agents do not make her clean it up. If anyone makes her clean it up, it is the city cop.
The two original TSA agents leave the scene fairly quickly.
This is after she shows them a SS ID card. They know she is not a threat
Why does this make her not a threat?
-hey they don’t like her-payback time bi***.
Is she a likeable person?
This is clearly an abuse of power by TSA in my opinion.
No, it is not.
She misses her plane and is humiliated.
She misses her plane only due to her own bad conduct.
Cleaning up a spill is not a humiliation, it is a fact of life for anyone with toddlers.
This is torture in my book.
Wow, you have a very low threshold for your definition of torture.
They didn't put her in a rack. They didn't pull her fingernails out. They didn't drip acid on her. They didn't shock her with an electric prod. They didn't cut off her feet with an ax. Those are acts of torture - many of which have been practiced in Iraq.
Also, since you are a Dad-which I would think means you are male, your reaction surprises me-defending TSA. My husband was livid when he saw the video and said no gentleman would tolerate such treatment of a woman with a small child-I’m just saying...
Oh my, a couple of round about insults - using a proxy no less. How quaint.
We need a bit of luck and very good inspectors to stop an attack.
For example:
C4 plastic bomb The security expert said he attached a piece of C4, a plastic explosive, to the sole of his leather shoe, and placed another piece inside an electric adaptor. The wires he placed in a “secret” pocket near his belt. While at the scanning and X-ray area prior to boarding, he casually placed a cellular phone in the basket that security personnel checked manually. The cell phone could serve as a detonator. Ten minutes after takeoff from the Manila domestic airport, the antiterrorism expert said he got up from his seat and went to the plane’s lavatory. Inside, he mixed all the materials together. He then pulled out a digital camera from his jacket and took a video of his lethal concoction. “The only missing act was the push on the button to blow up the aircraft,” he said in an interview. “In a real terrorist threat, the terrorist, usually a suicide bomber, will not hesitate and push the button to accomplish his or her mission.”
http://yourforum.gr/InvisionBoard/index.php?showtopic=37022&mode=linear
So you expect our inspectors to fold when anyone with 'clout' comes through the gate?
One of the recommendations from the security expert was:
Politicians, military and police officers, and all other government officials must not be exempted from frisking and standard security checks to set an example so that other passengers will cooperate in the stringent security checks.
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