Posted on 06/15/2007 5:55:22 PM PDT by LouAvul
Different conservative blogs have different pet issues -- government transparency, federal judges, Fred Thompson, to name a few.
But no issue in recent memory has united conservative bloggers like the debate over immigration. Their frustration has culminated in a full-scale revolt against the Bush administration and a Senate bill that activists say does little to solve the country's border security problems.
President Bush's pledge to support $4.4 billion in additional border security funds has breathed new life into the bill, but the drumbeat against the legislation shows no signs of quieting. (Watch how senators revived the immigration bill )
It's increasingly clear from Web postings and interviews with top conservative bloggers that the immigration bill has done serious damage to the president's credibility among the conservative netroots, the grassroots bloggers on the Web.
Erick Erickson, managing editor of the popular conservative blog RedState.com, says he receives between 800 and 900 e-mails a day from readers, most of whom are "enraged" by the White House's immigration efforts.
"Of all the issues the president has picked to make his hill to die on, he has picked the one that has divided his base," said Erickson, who lives in Macon, Georgia. "I am shocked by the anger and outrage out there ... You've got war against the president within the Republican party."
When details of an immigration compromise were announced this spring, conservative bloggers were immediately incensed. Michelle Malkin labeled it "a White House betrayal."
Another popular blogger, Hugh Hewitt, called the bill a "fiasco" and wrote: "this push for this bill is a disaster, Mr. President."
Bloggers: Secure the border first Conservative bloggers make various arguments against the bill. Some say the bill grants amnesty to illegal immigrants who have already broken the law.
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Your pie in the sky - someday everybody will suddenly turn around and say “gee, remember the old days that old guy talking about teaching the country a lesson and that we must go back to the original founding fathers starting point all at once by throwing out social security, etc. Where is he - we must have a leader of wisdom.
Yeah right and look at how many conservative iniatives you have destroyed by siding with the democrats to destroy the current man in office and allowing the democrats to take over control of the law making process.
But with the demonstrated brilliance of the American public you might find 60% willing to hunt you down and throw out every entitlement they have grown accustomed to follow your esteemed direction.
You are not managing to be heard and believed now, why would you think the American public would even remember your views and come looking for your help? After all, you joined with the democrats to further socialists writing our laws, what kind of wisdom does that show?
Thank you for your great explanation. See, sometimes it just takes a little explaining to win people over to your points.
I admit I am not inclined to get into the nittity gritty of the immigration laws - too boring for me. So I always appreciate you thoughtful people willing to gently inform me of what will happen without all the rhetoric.
Again thanks and please do the same for others as you come across them - very effective.
Thank you for giving us the democrat majority. Oh the wisdom of allowing socialists to write law and to prevent any conservative inititive to even be heard on the floor of congress.
You might give us your telephone number so we can contact you when we see that your wisdom in moving conservatism forward is needed.
Oh, and what does conservatism mean again. Did it mean willfully giving your country to the enemy? If so, what happens the next time, after we get the perfect candidate in, when one of us fails to understand some initiative and decides to teach us all a lesson.
Gosh such a lot of work and you know - I just don’t know that in a country of individualists if you will really get 75% of them to agree to completely throw out the current government. Especially when their children are getting Medicaid, and their parents are on social security. Gee - they would have to pay for their care wouldn’t they. Maybe next year or the year after - yeah, we’ll throw out the entitlement programs then.
“A democracy will continue to exist up until the
time that voters discover they can vote themselves
generous gifts from the public treasury.”
“From that moment on, the majority always vote for
the candidates who promise the most benefits from
the public treasury, with the result that every
democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal
policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatest
civilizations from the beginning of history, has
been about 200 year s.”
“During those 200 years, those nations always
progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6 from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage”
Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University
School of Law, St.Paul, Minnesota, points out
some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of
the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by
the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore’s
territory mostly encompassed those citizens living
in government-owned tenements and living off various
forms of government welfare...”
Olson believes the United States is now somewhere
between the “complacency and apathy” phase of
Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some
forty percent of the nation’s population already
having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to
twenty-million criminal invaders called illegal’s and
they vote, then we can say good-bye to the USA in
fewer than five years.
Pass this along to help everyone realize just how
much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the
greatest danger to our freedom
Good. Thanks.
That the American people will call for conservative leadership again is not a pipe dream, it is simply the ordinary course of our democratic politics. That is where Ike came from, and Nixon, and Reagan. The left's policies uniformly fail when real need arises, because they are pure make believe. And no, I don't expect any restoration of a mythical founding, simply that a hawkish foreign policy and sensible finance will be back, because dovish ones automatically call for challenge and defeat, and spendthrift ones bankruptcy and economic failure. Which the people are smart enough to punish. Contempt for the American people is uncalled for; they have navigated the country to leadership of the world and unprecedented prosperity. They will continue to do so. Just never "monotonically", not with "conservative" leaders like these.
Upset because we are tired of the government doing exactly what the people OPPOSE!
They are here for the under the table work, welfare and food stamps.
“..the give away of our sovereignty..”
It is called globalization - a disease that most American elites suffer. It can be described by an uncontrollable need for the almighty dollar. Selling out the country can make many industrialists fabulously rich.
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Just because I don’t vote for a ‘Republican’ doesn’t make me a democrat. Just means I have limits on my standards. Some people harm the party more than they help, and isn’t that a more clear result of what happened (and is happening to the party)!?
Integrity still important?
ps...I live in California, and my vote almost never effects the results. Therefore I’ve decided to vote more idealistical than others, and I think I’m more able to do so...without being hassled by those whom think otherwise.
Security of our nation is foremost on my mind, therefore anyone voting for this treasonous amnesty bill will not get my vote, so help me God...including those who refrain from voting.
President Bush has openly advocated the takeover of this country by non-citizens. While the original Alien and Sedition Act was struck down as overbroad, I believe certain types of sedition are still criminal.
No: here’s my voting record since turning 18:
1984: Reagan; 1988: Bush; 1992: Bush; 1996: Dole; 2000: Bush; 2004: Bush.
Volunteer Work:
1990: Santorum (House); 1992: Santorum (House); 1994: Santorum (Senate); 2004: Toomey (Senate Primary vs. Specter); plus my local House member as well as various other local candidates at various times.
It’s just that this bill negates for me, and apparently most of the rest of the base, all of the good work Bush has done in keeping al-Quaeda in check and keeping the U.S. safe. There’s no point in playing a great offense if you’re going to simultaneously open the back door and wave in the entire world.
Bush is crushing the R’s for at least a generation with the push for this bill. If you thought 2006 was a bad showing, wait until 2008. If Bush succeeds, the base will be so angry/demoralized, NO ONE will show up to volunteer and/or vote in 2008. The R House and Senate members know this - Bush will be gone in 19 months, but the rest of the team has to live to fight another day.
If Bush gets this bill; in 2008, Hillary is President, we lose 50 members in the House and 8 in the Senate. A total bloodbath that I do not want to have to live through...not to mention overcrowding our country to over 400 miliion + people in maybe just 10 years.
It doesn’t make me happy, I donated to Bush’s 2000 and 2004 campaigns. I feel ripped off. If Bush needs to go now to prevent the nightmare scenario above, so be it.
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according to the constitutuion we have a right to overthrow a corrupt government. and boy this is corrupt about as it comes. 99.9% of these guys will not represent the citizens of this country.
Yes, like Al Qaida, we’re sleeper cells. ROFLAMO. You Bushbots are as delusional as the WH. Rome is burning and it’s YOU who have lit the match. The RINO purge is on.
>> Different conservative blogs have different pet issues — government transparency, federal judges, Fred Thompson, to name a few.
Fred Thompson is not a pet.
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