Posted on 06/14/2007 7:42:49 PM PDT by Moseley
That still does not justify Rohrabacher allying with the Talibans.
Ahh “Tailgunner” back to tale-tattling.
Ronald Reagan helped the Afghans defeat your soviet allies. We know you think Ronald Reagan was a scumbag and a dhimmi, but we don’t! We love him and we’re glad he beat your communist friends.
Don’t you stand by your own words? My saying you support the Ayatollahs doesn’t make it so, but your saying it does make it so!
BTW that statement about Rohrabacher fighting on the side of Taliban was meant only as rhetoric. I forgot to add the /sarc tag.
Thats was w.r.t India-Pak war 1971. In that war India sided with the Soviets (or rather the Soviets sided with India). And we dont regret that.
We won that war, your side lost. And that was the not “cold war”. We were not part of cold war.
We now know that India’s leaders were bought by the Soviets all along. They betrayed their own country for money.
My support for Iran is similar to your support for Pakistan. Its nuanced. Only difference is that my support is subjected to the condition that America gives up support for Pakistan. Otherwise I have no love for the Mullahs.
Why just India’s leaders? Not America’s leaders? We of course know how Rohrabacher was bought by the Afghans, Arabs and Saudis. How much do Chinese and Arabs fund American election campaigns and the individual senetors?
India had a 100-year friendship treaty with the Soviet Union.
And Pakistan has “non-Nato” ally status accorded by the US. Also US has given MNF status to the PRC. How about that?
Indian Embassy has a whole brigade of “communists” eh? LOL.
Those are NOT Taliban. Those are MUJAHIDEEN. The Taliban are FOREIGN Jihadis who took over Afghanistan after a 10 year bloody war AGAINST the Mujahideen.
Taliban are foreign Jihadis???!!! Wow! Thats news to me. Which country do they come from?? I mean the Taliban?
The Al Qaeda come from many different Muslim country (mainly the middle east) but the Taliban? Who or what exactly are according to you “LOCAL Afhgan Mujahideen”?
Ok as a start, google the word Pashtun, Pakhtoon or Pathans. Find out who these people are and what they have to do with the Taliban. Find out what part of Afghanistan and Pakistan do they live in.
And dont argue with me on the subject. I am not only half Punjabi and speak a language closely related to Pushtu, I have good knowledge of about the rise of Taliban.
And now to answer your nonsensical post.....
The Taliban was born inside Pakistan madrassas which during the day of Soviet invasion thrived with Saudi and CIA money and was operated and controlled by the ISI. The student (who later on became “Jihadis”) were ethnic Pashtuns from both sides of the Durand line and and it was hard to clearly differentiate them as either Pakistani or Afghans. In those day (while the Talibans were still breeding inside Pakistani incubators) Pakistan and ISI supported Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. At different times all throught the period of Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and there after, Pakistan, Iran and neighbouring CIS states supported different warlords and intermittently switched sides and patronage for different groups. Even warlords, field commanders, and local militias also switched sides.
In those day the Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (who were ethnic Pashtuns) were fighting Ahmed Shah Massoud (Tajik) and Rashid Dostum (Uzbek). All of them are “LOCAL” Afghans belonging to different ethnic groups.
Gulbudding Hekmatyar lost favour with Pakistan and later on got into a power sharing arrangement with the Rabbani government.
The “Taliban” was assembled by the ISI form different ethnic Pashtun mujahideen groups like the Hekmatyar Hezb i Islami and Harakat i Inqilab i Islam, all of them were former “AFGHAN MUJAHEDEENS”. (Mujahedeen means God’s warrior or the one fighting an jihad.) Mullah Mohammed Omar was himself a “Mujahedeen” who fought Soviets on the side of Harakat i Inqilab i Islam. Most of these Durrani Pashtuns who earlier fought jihad against the Soviets under different factions and radical ethnic pashtun student from Pakistani madrassas together formed the group we know today as the Taliban. With the exception of a few Pakistanis and just a handfull of foreigners they were all 90% Afghans Sunni Pashtuns. BTW Afghanistan was 42% Pashtun. All the commanders of the Taliban including Mullah Omar himself were hardened former Afghan Mujahedeens who fought against the Soviets.
And who they were fighting “one yard at a time”? Uzbeks, Tajiks, Hazaras, Ismailies, Turkomans .... different groups at different points of time. All of these were local Afghans too but just different ethnic groups.
Now CIA’s help were mostly channeled via Pakistan (ISI) to mostly the Pashtun groups. Hekmatyar who enjoyed Pakistan’s support got most of that benefits that later on got transferred to the Taliban. The Taliban even got the stingers from Pakistan.
These guys were Pakistan’s (ISI’s) and Taliban’s biggest enemies. The NA based in Panjshir got their supplies from mostly Russia, India and Iran not the US.
BTW do you deny Rohrabacher met Muttawakil or Mullah Omar and wanted to make peace with these guys? Or are you saying Muttawakil or Mullah Omar are foreigners and not Afghans? What exactly?
If Talibans according to you are “foreigners”, what country do they come from? And exactly which group were your “friends” in the Afghanistan? More specific details beyond just the general statements will be appreciated.
The ones in the picture may or may not be Taliban but its well know that Rohrabacher has met and tried to negotiate peace with the Taliban or accepted grants from Arabs.
I don't pretend. I don't need to. I know a lot about the Afghan situation to make pretenses. My forefather came as refugee from Pak. And I suggest you do some reading on Afghanistan beyond all the crap fed by your American media.
During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and there after Pakistan intermittently received somewhere between 4-8 million Afghan refugees. These were mostly Pashtuns. They Pashtuns never recognized the Durand line and Pakistan never heavily guarded it western border with Afghanistan. The Pashtun majority who dominated the 42% percent of the lower half of Afghanistan would easily criss-cross between the Afghan-Pak border. All these guys were “AFGHANS” (including the 4-8 million refugees living within the Pakistan border). This is the same population base that Pakistani Army and ISI used to build their Mujahideen resistance against the Soviets and the same people who were armed by the CIA.
Now all this wont have come as a surprise to you if only you had been more knowledgeable on the subject. The Pakistan Army and CIA DIDNT build the Mujahideen resistance network/ infrastructure/operational and weapon training/command and control/and supply chain FROM INSIDE AFGHANISTAN that was under the control of the Soviets but rather on Pakistani soil. And Mujahideen resistance drew people from among the same Afghan refugee population. These guys were very much local Afghans and not Pakistan even though they were inside Pakistan. It wasnt as simple as “ transshipment of arms to” local Afghans. Pakistani soil hosted Mujahideen training camps and Mujahideen operational headquarters inside Pakistan that were controlled by the ISI that were used against the Soviets.
And now for the Taliban....... excuse me but whosoever gave you the info that the Taliban were all ISIs and Pakistanis was churning out a whole pile of BS. Yes the ISI and Pakistanis commanded and controlled the Taliban and by then CIA had no influence over these guys since Soviets had withdrawn and America had no more interest in Afghanistan. So the Pakees had a free hand. The Taliban was created, trained, armed, controlled and indoctrinated by Pakistan and ISI but to say that the people inside the Taliban were all Pakistani and ISIs is big time nonsense. These guys were drawn from the same population base that they used to build the Soviet resistance i.e Afghan refugee population. Most guys simply switched sides from earlier Mujahideen groups to the Taliban. The Pakes used the same network, infrastructure and training facilities, command and control facilities thats that they provided to the Mujahideens earlier. Even the weapons used were the same. It is notable that while Northern Alliance didnt have with them any stingers missiles, the Taliban had plenty (*infact the red eye variety). Only difference this time was that the CIA was out of the equation and no longer directly supplied the Taliban, although much of their weaponry had trickled down into the hands of the Taliban. I am not dreaming up any of these, please read up on Afghanistan.
Another of your big misconception about Afghanistan was that the Taliban won only through bloody fighting. Yes bloody fighting did take place but their meteoric rise was more facilitated through alliances with former Mujahedeen groups, mediation and power sharing with rival groups and bribing individual commanders and war lords and all of these were facilitated by the ISIs and their strong influence over the Mujahideens. the alliances mostly left out the non Pashtun groups like the Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks because the Pashtun and ISI didnt like them and were suspicious of Russian and Indian influence over those groups. These were the groups that the Taliban mostly fought. They were no doubt local Afghans (the Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks) but so were the Talibans.
And if you are saying that CIA was arming only the “local Afghans” (that is the Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks) then I am sorry.........NO WAY!
American/CIA money and weaponry was channeld via Pakistan and ISI. Pakistan controlled most of the supply chain since they had the infrastructure not the US. Pakistan decided who gets the weapon. And their patronage for the different groups would change with situation and interest. Not all of American money and weaponry was used against the Soviets, some of them were actually used against India.
BTW do you deny Rohrabacher never met the Talibans? The ones in control of Aghanistan from 1996 until 2001. He certainly wasnt simply meeting with the Mujahideens. What was he doing meeting up with Taliban Foreign Minister Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil? What did he meant when he said “Taliban were not terrorists or revolutionaries, that they would develop a disciplined society that would leave no room for terrorists, and that the Taliban posed no threat to the United States”?
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