If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.
Posted on 06/13/2007 2:05:03 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
Nope, just not to susceptible to propaganda, I have had 5 Macs online for 15 years, never a problem, you on the other hand live for those problems and earn your keep from them. I just use my Mac for me, and do not require your help or dire warnings. Save them for those who willingly pay you to solve them.
On my site, I list several vulnerabilities I've found and reported to Apple and I've found them to be very responsive and upfront about verifying things and giving credit. Some things are fixed quicker than others and maybe you can say they take too long on some things but when there are interdependencies on components being fixed, it can be a month of two before you see a patch.
They do tend to be a little quiet when dealing with researchers. They'll communicate on an as-needed basis and if you don't provide adequate information, maybe they'll follow up and ask for more. When I report bugs to Apple, I send full details including an exploit. They've been very good about pinpointing the issue and providing a fix.
I had an issue once where their engineers had trouble reproducing a vulnerability and I had to send more information and an actual exploit. After that, they found it and fixed it. I've always received appropriate credit.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT DAVE MAYNOR.
Apple didn’t act that way towards him.
There are plenty of Apple sploits out there. I provided a bunch of links.
If you want to keep changing the subject, do it with someone else.
“By the way, doesn’t it strike anyone as odd that there’s no real big vulnerabilities on Safari when used with OS X and only when its used by Windows does everything go to pot?”
DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE?
-—”I can’t speak for anybody else, but the bugs found in the beta copy of Safari on Windows work on the production copy on OS X as well,” he said in a posting on the Errata site.-—
“Let’s also not forget that this is a *Beta* version of Safari/Windows.
Or should I mention all the bugs that are in the *release* version of IE?”
READ THE ARTICLE FANBOY.
-—”I can’t speak for anybody else, but the bugs found in the beta copy of Safari on Windows work on the production copy on OS X as well,” he said in a posting on the Errata site.-—
btw STILL waiting for you to talk your way out of #64.
Evidently most people using computers have no idea what a BETA version of a software program is!
The debate isn’t whether Apple has vulnerabilities that require patching. It’s about whether Apple has publicly denied vulnerabilities that they later patched.
You haven’t posted support for that claim yet. You gave one man’s unquoted claim as reported by PC Mag, but if you think you can support your claim that Apple has done that lots of time by just that one unsourced note, you’re mistaken.
The debate isn’t whether Apple has vulnerabilities that require patching. It’s about whether Apple has publicly denied vulnerabilities that they later patched.
You haven’t posted support for that claim yet. You gave one man’s unquoted claim as reported by PC Mag, but if you think you can support your claim that Apple has done that lots of time by just that one unsourced note, you’re mistaken.
Indeed, I've heard Al Gore say the very same thing. I'm sure he appreciates your support of his lifestyle.
Me I couldn't bring myself to give a penny to the likes of Al and Jobs. Snakes both of them.
As far as I can tell, those were not in the wild, and no computer, other than the hackers’ computers, were taken down.
Do you have authoritative evidence that differs with that assessment? Bring it out.
It’s not going to stop me, in the least, from getting the best hardware and operating system to use.
It’s too bad that some conservatives couldn’t make something as good...
Vulnerabilities do not equate with exploits, Rightwing.
Many of these were "found" by the security industry after Apple announced them when they fixed them. Proof of concept demonstration viruses that have never been seen outside of a security company lab and ever in the wild are hardly exploits. What they all lack is a vector that works.
Uninformed? From someone who didn't even know Apple servers were used in the credit card industry. LOL
Anything built to run on a crappy platform like Windows is going to have flaws. Personally, I would never run Mac software on a PC, or Windows on a Mac. There’s no need to.
Keep getting in digs at Macs, you homosexual. You’ll just keep looking like a damn fool.
The "Security by Obscurity" canard has been shot down many times.
There are 23,000,000 OS X Macintoshes being used right now. That is not obscure.
In addition, Apple has been advertising its superior security for over a year now (those ads just were awarded the top prize for Television Advertising, the Grand Effie)... and that should be equivalent to throwing down the gauntlet to thousands of hackers who would love to be known as the cracker who wrote a viable Macintosh OSX virus that could infect machines in the wild.
There have been a few Mac virus candidates seen only in security company labs... All of them have been less than successful and none of them had a viable vector to spread. One of them took TWO security experts and TWO OS X software engineers SIX HOURS just to get it to copy itself from one Mac to another... and then it didn't do what it was claimed to do.
Studies have been done which show that Apple Mac users are, as a group, more affluent than their PC using compatriots... and that Mac users tend to run NO anti-spyware, anti-adware, or anti-virus applications (because, as yet, in six years of experience, there are effectively ZERO of any of those encountered on Mac OS X!\) so they should be sitting ducks for even the simplest spyware or virus that comes along.
Crackers have written viruses for iPods running Linux as an operating system... all 200 of them in the world. Other malware authors have written viruses designed to infect all 12,000 unpatched Black Ice Firewalled machines and every single one was infected within 45 minutes of the virus being released into the wild. Viruses have been written to infect 32,000 Internet LAN Routers... and viruses have been written to infect approximately 50,000 users of a specific make of Internet capable cell phone. Yet you claim that NO ONE is interested in exploiting a population of 23,000,000 MAC USERS who are UNPROTECTED BY ANTI-MALWARE? Absurd.
Contests have been staged for security experts to hack into a stock Mac. The most recent was the contest at the Canadian Western Computer Security Conference where all attendees were challenged to break into an out-of-the-box MacBook Pro. The successful cracker would win the MacBook plus $10,000. After the first two days, when none had been successful, the rules were relaxed and crackers were allowed to have the referees navigate to specific websites the crackers had designed and click on various links they found there. Only when that was allowed was a user level access hack successful using a hole in Java and iTunes. No one succeeded in winning the second MacBook Pro and another $10,000 by achieving a ROOT access. These were some of the top computer security experts in the world.
Another was mounted by an assistant Professor of Computer Science at the University of Wisconsin. Intended to run a full seven days, the contest ran for 37 hours until bandwidth concerns forced the cancellation of the contest. Thousands of attempts to break in were unsuccessful.
Your assertion that the security in OS X is not designed in is incorrect and ignores the almost 40 years of UNIX development that underpins the FreeBSD UNIX core that runs OSX. It has been acid tested by thousands of open source developers who have examined the code with a microscope... and the trials by fire in which UNIX was attacked and the holes used were patched over those years.
I would never buy an anti-virus software for my Mac. It would be money down the drain. May as well burn a couple of C-notes.
Which means that when you compare the cost of buying a Mac and a PC, you need to add the cost of a virus software onto your PC price in order to compare apples and oranges.
You can buy a MacBook for as little as $1100. If you buy it refreshed, and get 10% off, that’s only $990. An iMac costs $1000; a refreshed iMac costs $900. Great price for the best computer on the market.
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