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To: taxed2death
1. Border security first. A-hole Lott already declared today he would gut any amendments of actual border security measures during conference. He openly bragged about it.

What do you mean by "border security"? Building a fence along the Mexican border is expensive, and not effective. Most illegal immigrants simply overstay visas; other come over the Canadian border, through ports, or just land a floating creation on the coast. IMO, that fence is a colossal waste of money, never mind the impact on the environment or the livelihoods of the people who live on the US side.

2.My proposal of guest worker program is not automatically linked to a “pathway to citizenship”.......get it?
NO automatic “pathway to citizenship”!!!!!!! A no brainer. No compelling reason to join the two.

Exactly. And the bill says explicitly that guest workers don't have a path to citizenship.

3.No “instant” Z visas. None.

And there aren't any. This is the most misunderstood part of the bill. People who have been here for years and can prove that they've been continually working can apply for a Z visa. If they don't have a criminal record (easily verified), they can get probationary status, and have their Z visa application processed. They can stay until the visa is processed.
And the length of time that will take is the issue many have. It's not clear that those will happen in a timely manner.

4. Thorough background checks for all applicants.

Yes, that's in the bill.

5. Any illegals wanting to emigrate must get at the back of the line.

Yes, that's also part of the bill (I assume you mean immigrate). The estimate is that it would take 10-14 years for someone currently illegal to get consideration for citizenship.

Read the bill - or at least accurate representations of what it is. It's got everything you say you want, except the huge fence, and I really think you should rethink that. That's an emotional item, not a rational one.

768 posted on 06/13/2007 7:25:10 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout
“What do you mean by “border security”? Building a fence along the Mexican border is expensive, and not effective.”

Wrong. Where the wall has been erected it has worked successfully. Illegals shift to where there is no wall to cross. Tax the 25+ billion sent back to Messico electronically by Western Union ETC.... building the wall will not cost the American taxpayer a dime.

“Most illegal immigrants simply overstay visas; other come over the Canadian border,”

Almost too stupid to respond to your assertion. Statistically insignificant amount of illegals walk over northern border per week...as opposed to 6000+ strolling over southern borders each week.

“never mind the impact on the environment “

Too stupid to respond too...I’ll give it a shot...been to Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument near Phoenix lately?
I rest my case.

“Exactly. And the bill says explicitly that guest workers don’t have a path to citizenship.”

They do, Z visa......read the bill.

“And there aren’t any. This is the most misunderstood part of the bill. People who have been here for years and can prove that they’ve been continually working can apply for a Z visa. If they don’t have a criminal record (easily verified), they can get probationary status, and have their Z visa application processed. They can stay until the visa is processed.”

Background checks been stripped from the bill, easily contested in 72 hours, Z visa granted....bingo! Amnesty.

4. Thorough background checks for all applicants.

“Yes, that’s in the bill. “

Nope, been stripped from the bill, once contested, z visa is given....”pathway to citizenship....amnesty.

5. Any illegals wanting to emigrate must get at the back of the line.

Yes, that’s also part of the bill (I assume you mean immigrate). The estimate is that it would take 10-14 years for someone currently illegal to get consideration for citizenship.

No, I do not mean immigrate....proper term is emigrate. One does not “immigrate” to another country..use a dictionary.

Unless everything pertaining to the bullshit Z visa status has been removed from this bill since I posted a few hours ago, they do NOT have to get at the end of the line.

775 posted on 06/13/2007 9:38:14 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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