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To: speekinout
“What do you mean by “border security”? Building a fence along the Mexican border is expensive, and not effective.”

Wrong. Where the wall has been erected it has worked successfully. Illegals shift to where there is no wall to cross. Tax the 25+ billion sent back to Messico electronically by Western Union ETC.... building the wall will not cost the American taxpayer a dime.

“Most illegal immigrants simply overstay visas; other come over the Canadian border,”

Almost too stupid to respond to your assertion. Statistically insignificant amount of illegals walk over northern border per week...as opposed to 6000+ strolling over southern borders each week.

“never mind the impact on the environment “

Too stupid to respond too...I’ll give it a shot...been to Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument near Phoenix lately?
I rest my case.

“Exactly. And the bill says explicitly that guest workers don’t have a path to citizenship.”

They do, Z visa......read the bill.

“And there aren’t any. This is the most misunderstood part of the bill. People who have been here for years and can prove that they’ve been continually working can apply for a Z visa. If they don’t have a criminal record (easily verified), they can get probationary status, and have their Z visa application processed. They can stay until the visa is processed.”

Background checks been stripped from the bill, easily contested in 72 hours, Z visa granted....bingo! Amnesty.

4. Thorough background checks for all applicants.

“Yes, that’s in the bill. “

Nope, been stripped from the bill, once contested, z visa is given....”pathway to citizenship....amnesty.

5. Any illegals wanting to emigrate must get at the back of the line.

Yes, that’s also part of the bill (I assume you mean immigrate). The estimate is that it would take 10-14 years for someone currently illegal to get consideration for citizenship.

No, I do not mean immigrate....proper term is emigrate. One does not “immigrate” to another country..use a dictionary.

Unless everything pertaining to the bullshit Z visa status has been removed from this bill since I posted a few hours ago, they do NOT have to get at the end of the line.

775 posted on 06/13/2007 9:38:14 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

HUURAAAGGH !!!


776 posted on 06/13/2007 9:41:54 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: taxed2death
4. Thorough background checks for all applicants.

“Yes, that’s in the bill. “

Nope, been stripped from the bill, once contested, z visa is given....”pathway to citizenship....amnesty.


Is the ridiculous '24 hour' background check still in there? It took my husband about 6 weeks to get his passport - with having had an old passport and all the other documentation up to date. And they think the gov. can do background checks in ONE day?
780 posted on 06/14/2007 12:18:12 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: taxed2death
Your post amused me no end - pointing out all of your failures of information and logic would take forever, so let me just comment on the silliest one -

5. Any illegals wanting to emigrate must get at the back of the line.

Yes, that’s also part of the bill (I assume you mean immigrate). The estimate is that it would take 10-14 years for someone currently illegal to get consideration for citizenship.

No, I do not mean immigrate....proper term is emigrate. One does not “immigrate” to another country..use a dictionary.

Use *your* dictionary. One "emigrates" FROM a country, or "immigrates" TO it.
I don't believe it's possible to emigrate from a country you're not a legal resident of, but with your logic anything is possible.
And I wouldn't particularly care if any illegals wanted to leave anyway.

797 posted on 06/14/2007 4:57:33 PM PDT by speekinout
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