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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
Every one of the scheduled guests is for open borders and a supporter of the traitorous amnesty bill.

This is the sort of ad homin attack that the Ultras scream day in and day out that keeps most people from supporting their position on Immigration Reform.

Screaming bile at everyone who has a different opinion on Immigration may make the Antis feel good, it will not win you any votes.

Oh but that right, it ok for the Antis to do nothing but scream hate at everyone, but God forbid anyone turn their rhetoric back on them! NOW we will get the usually collection of outrage and pouting responses because someone turned their usual tactics back on them!

While crowing about your victory, you all may want to keep in mind you accomplished it only with a Filibuster. You could not get a Majority in the Senate to support your position on Immigration.

You are going to need some of the political middle on your side to win. Those are the people this sort of mindless snarling drives away from your side.

Just stopping the other side doesn't win you anything. It has merely maintained the status quo. The illegal are still going to be pouring into their country now. So they are the only ones who won anything here.

But I know. Don't bother with the facts. The 100%ers have a dogma and dogma these days trumps all!

28 posted on 06/10/2007 5:18:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: MNJohnnie
ad homin

It's ad hominem.
35 posted on 06/10/2007 5:25:57 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: MNJohnnie

You forgot the link you have been putting in your responses on other threads.

Here it is for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement

Glad I could help.


37 posted on 06/10/2007 5:28:57 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Bet you Bush wishes he had that "Fairness Doctrine" now, to calm the debate!)
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To: MNJohnnie
You make an excellent point MNJ,we are between a rock and a hard place. But it's difficult for many of us to figure out how major portions of the congress can go against the will of the people on this issue.

Estimates are as high as 75-80% of the populace want the border secured and before any amnesty is even discussed. How can the congress critters just go in the opposite direction. I really don't get it at all.

39 posted on 06/10/2007 5:30:43 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: MNJohnnie
Just stopping the other side doesn't win you anything. It has merely maintained the status quo. The illegal are still going to be pouring into their country now. So they are the only ones who won anything here.

So why is national security [the fence and a program to monitor, track, and deport visa overstays] being held hostage to comprehensive immigration reform? The answer is fairly obvious to anyone with half a brain.

61 posted on 06/10/2007 6:18:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MNJohnnie

Thanks, MNJohnnie. It doesn’t help the Republicans to do ourselves as the Democrats did to themselves in 1968.


88 posted on 06/10/2007 6:39:46 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Fact is Johnny there will never be an immigration bill or a Fence. The Dems don’t want a fence and they are in charge. No Republican will get w/in 100 miles of a bill since they will be vilified by the Backstabbing conservatives.

So the Mexicans win and the small business and farmers are fine, which are the only ones I care about. There is a labor shortage and deportation would make it more accute. The real losers are President Bush and our security.

There is no such thing as a good immigration bill.

Pray for W and Our Troops


109 posted on 06/10/2007 6:52:01 AM PDT by bray (The co-clintons freed more terrorists then they killed)
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To: MNJohnnie

It would not hurt to hear from both sides of the immigration issue. The MSM does not like to present such a comparison in a balanced way however.


456 posted on 06/10/2007 11:33:56 AM PDT by gpapa
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