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Silver Lining in GOP's Dark Cloud
Real Clear Politics ^ | June 9, 2007 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 06/09/2007 7:10:23 AM PDT by gpapa

President Bush has cast a huge, dark cloud over the Republican party. But in that cloud's very size there may be a silver lining for the GOP. Most of those Americans who don't think President Bush made a mistake by going to war in Iraq are appalled by how clumsily the war has been conducted.

The president's strong backing for the "comprehensive" immigration reform bill now before the Senate, compounded by his attack on the character and motives of those who oppose it have split the GOP. Thousands of Republicans have changed their voter registration to "independent." The proportion of voters who identify themselves as Republicans has fallen to 30.8 percent from 37.3 percent during the 2004 election campaign, according to a recent Rasmussen poll.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; fredthompson; giuliani; illegalimmigration; romney; sellout; vampirebill
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To: samtheman

It’s the people who don’t know what’s happening: those who think that an “R” solves all.


121 posted on 06/09/2007 11:38:33 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Pharmboy

Your points are well made I just wish you had mentioned John Ashcroft.We second ammendment people really liked his stance on private firearms ownership.
Some freepers sound like infiltrators from the D.U..If you cannot point out the blunders of your own party and try to correct them you might as well join the dems and rinos.They could care less,they just do as they please and ignore the Constitution.It is in their minds an antiquated document to be used only when it serves THEIR purposes.


122 posted on 06/09/2007 11:51:34 AM PDT by Papabear47
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To: LS

What would be the point in expressing vitriol for Reagan’s amnesty. What could have been done about that should have been done 21 years ago.

This is the here and now. What’s going on sucks and we’re stuck in the middle of it. B!tching about Reagan’s faux paux is useless.


123 posted on 06/09/2007 12:04:17 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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I think this article is spot on. I just hope he’s right.

How some can still defend Bush is beyond me.
Bush is our LBJ and Carter.


124 posted on 06/09/2007 12:05:13 PM PDT by 0351 (Semper Fi. USMC 0351 '87-'91)
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To: MNJohnnie

You lost on this issue Johnboy. Get over it.


125 posted on 06/09/2007 12:05:37 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Defeat the traitor McCain for President. Job #1.)
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To: Tinian
"You've certainly ID'd yourself for exactly what you are: a one-world globalist America-HATER."

If, as you say, you are against the Bush-Kennedy amnesty, and just a loose canon who enjoys name-calling and insulting conservatives, including Reagan, to excuse anything and everything the Republicans do, then you're in for a rude awakening by continuing to support those who are pushing what you claim to oppose.

126 posted on 06/09/2007 12:05:39 PM PDT by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I thought the American way was to strive for excellence and not mediocrity....or worse.


127 posted on 06/09/2007 12:10:22 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: Owen
"President Bush would sign a bill like that."

Of course he would.

"Bartender, I'll have whatever Owen is drinking..."

128 posted on 06/09/2007 12:19:07 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: ModelBreaker
Anyone who cannot see that W has decided to break with conservatives is willfully blind. IMHO, the conservative base has hung with W like a battered wife, far past the point where the marriage is doomed. Hopefully that is ending and the Republican party can be resurrected in a form that lets it regain its majority. In its present chamber-of-commerce-controlled form, it will continue to lose ground.
Absolutely right. W saw Arnold's poll numbers go up when Arnold switched (in spirit) to become a RAT and W thought it would work for him and even though it's done the exact opposite, in terms of the people, all the celebs like him better and it makes his last months in office so much more like a rockin' good time and he's just shuckin' and jivin' and livin' it up!

Nothing stupider than a chamber-of-commerce-run politician. Babbit, I think, described the mentality.

129 posted on 06/09/2007 12:20:25 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem; MNJohnnie

It’s amazing that he’s still around since attacks like that are against the rules.


130 posted on 06/09/2007 12:26:06 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: beckysueb; MNJohnnie

Yeah, that’s why he’s now pushing Reid to bring it back.

Do you condone MNJohnnie’s name calling and personal attacks against anybody who doesn’t agree with him? They’re against the rules here and frankly I don’t understand why he’s allowed to remain.
I noticed a post where you were cheering him on.


131 posted on 06/09/2007 12:34:22 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: LS
...if people are going to blame Bush (rightly) they have to also blame Reagan....

I would agree, if Reagan knew what Bush knows. Reagan was promised...promised......promised by a bunch of lying 'rats that the laws against employing illegals would be enforced. The laws were not enforced....resulting in millions more Mexicans sneaking into the country since they knew that nothing was going to happen to them.

Bush knows that the laws still will not be enforced this time and apparently don't give a shiite. Some of the same old turds are running this amnesty that ran the last amnesty.

Bush, Kennedy, McCain, and Graham are all blowing smoke at us, trying to presuade us that "this time" the laws will be enforced, and that the illegals will miraculously start obeying the new laws when they didn't give a flip about the old laws.

Reagan trusted the 'rats, and they stiffed him....Bush is in bed with the 'rats...and knows exactly what they will do.

But with all due respect, Reagans amnesty was as bad as Bushs' amnesty...but note that Bush denys that his amnesty plan is in fact amnesty...he calls it...something like house arrest....

132 posted on 06/09/2007 12:36:44 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: LS

You can blame Sen. Kennedy as well who was a prime mover of the first fiasco in 1965, and I am old enough to remember how that turned out. Again the Pubbies are being taken for a ride by hardball democrat politics. Bush has done the public no favors by teaming up with Kennedy on education, prescription drugs and now the immigration mess. While he has stood tall for the most part on judges, life issues and the WOT his welcome is wearing thin with a majority of Americans. That does not mean that conservatives should abandon ship in 2008. On the contrary it is more important than ever to keep the White House in Pubbie hands, preferably conservative ones, in the next elections. I would however like to see a couple of Republican Senators go down to defeat in 2008, namely Senators Hagel and Graham who have left the good fight in more ways than one.


133 posted on 06/09/2007 12:36:51 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Explain to me how electing a liberal Republican advances a conservative agenda.


134 posted on 06/09/2007 12:43:22 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I was born with nothing. So far I have most of it left.)
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To: Theodore R.
It’s the people who don’t know what’s happening: those who think that an “R” solves all.

Some people remember what was taught in civics class; they recognize the profound difference between the majority and the minority in the House and the Senate.

In part you're correct--without numerous RINOs like Snowe, Hagel, Jeffords, Specter, McCain, Voinovich, etc., Bush could've gotten great things done, such as:

Drilling in ANWR.
Social Security reform.
Permanent tax cuts.
John Bolton still serving as U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.

Bush really tried to do a lot of conservative things but he was stymied, for the most part, by RINOs--so it's true than "R" doesn't solve all. Bush deserves lots of credit for those initiatives (especially Social Security reform) even though they they ultimately failed. A whole bunch of Republican knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, protectionist, isolationist, flat-earther, Buchananite paleocon luddite Philistines, however, will never give him credit for his core-conservative efforts on those issues.

They did succede, however, in driving Bush's poll numbers low enough in 2006 that the "R"s lost control of both houses of Congress.

Now you can kiss goodbye the possibility of another Roberts or Alito being appointed to the Supreme Court.

I think having an "R" means one helluva lot more importance than you appreciate.

135 posted on 06/09/2007 1:06:01 PM PDT by Tinian
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To: gpapa
I still predict that a Republican will sit in the White House come January 2009.

This battle over immigration and the corruption and shear stupidity of the Nancy Peloser Dimorats will propel any common sense logical Republican in to the next POTUS.

It will be very hard for the MSM to cover for such a bungling bunch of inept congress critters known as Dimocraps.

136 posted on 06/09/2007 1:12:13 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: beckysueb

To pull a famous quote “The Devil you know, is better than the Devil you don’t”: Meaning at least I knew the Democrats would be anti=american, socialist, ect.

BUSH was supposed to be a Conservative (BTW: Now that I think about it and you mention it: maybe I was a bit hard; rash. I really don’t regret helping him over J. Kerry, but I just wish he were MORE Reaganesque)...


137 posted on 06/09/2007 1:14:59 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: abigailsmybaby
It can. The way the committee process works, it's the party with the majority of members that controls the whole agenda. Lincoln Chaffee still had an R behind his name and helped put Republicans in control of committees.

We have to fight this out in the primaries and then stay united to defeat Democrats.

We need to help Nebraska get rid of Hagel and others like him.

138 posted on 06/09/2007 1:25:25 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: MNJohnnie
“Because NO leader will ever be able to follow their little 100%er dogma straight down the line.”

Yea, enforcing the law is sooooooooooo hard to run on.

You’re more pathetic than usual today.

Stop crying...ok?

It’s getting really old.

139 posted on 06/09/2007 1:28:51 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: gpapa

Fighting a PC war is an oxymoron. It’s like watching a slow train wreck, and all the while Bush was hoping not to offend the rest of the billion and a half or however many Muslims there are in the world. But they were never going to choose democracy over Islam, that’s the point. They’re hoping/praying/plotting for Islam will take over the world. Well, they’re not only going to follow us home, they’re already here...with i.e.d.’s, suitcase nukes, fertilizer, whatever. Thank you for not securing the borders, GW. That’s the real insanity, the real crime.


140 posted on 06/09/2007 1:30:12 PM PDT by hershey
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