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Today is the Cloture Vote on Immigration Bill [first cloture vote fails; 2nd cloture vote fails]
7 June 2007 | Gulf War One

Posted on 06/07/2007 6:17:41 AM PDT by Gulf War One

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To: flaglady47
I believe we should not get all giddy about this, because, believe me, these amnesty lovers will be back, probably sooner than later, with a new attempt to pass an amnesty immigration bill. I will sleep with one eye open.

Absolutely agree! We need to take this time to get more organized so we can fight them on any area where they are selling us down the river.

Congress is going to take up the plan to erase our borders and become the Americas with Mexico and Canada. They are determined to destroy our sovereignty, and we're got to fight hard to stop them. Then when the elections roll around in 08, we've got to target the RINOS and all work hard to defeat them!

1,181 posted on 06/07/2007 10:55:50 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: NRA2BFree

It also wouldn’t hurt to target the Democrats in ‘08 as well!


1,182 posted on 06/07/2007 11:09:44 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
It also wouldn’t hurt to target the Democrats in ‘08 as well!

You're exactly right. It's time we get down and dirty like they are. ;o)

1,183 posted on 06/07/2007 11:22:27 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: indcons
Does this mean this bill is dead in the Senate? Can somebody please provide an update?
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For now.
It will in the future raise it’s ugly head.
The sleeping giant of the quiet majority have shaken the halls of congress.
Conservatism has spoken loudly, been heard,
and we’ve won the day.
1,184 posted on 06/08/2007 3:24:39 AM PDT by IrishMike ( What happens when aliens breed with sheep ? - Democrats)
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To: All

Dole helps to kill bill
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1846898/posts

The floor yesterday, liveblogged, for those who missed it,
(with rolls for both votes, check top for next installment):
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/007681.htm

Right Truth has some factoids on immigration (and links), you may need to see:
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/immigration/index.html


1,185 posted on 06/08/2007 3:55:14 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Sen. Graham, that's right... Say it loud, i'm an American citizen and i'm proud... heifer!)
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To: publana

I bet they did, remember this?

HEADLINE: BOXER’S BID TO PUT NATIONAL GUARD AT BORDER IS
STYMIED; IMMIGRATION: PENTAGON REFUSES TO IMPLEMENT
SENATOR’S PLAN, WHICH IT SAYS LACKS LEGAL AUTHORITY.

Source: The Los Angeles Times
Date: August 6, 1994, Saturday
Byline: Glenn F. Bunting, Time Staff Writter
Dateline: Washington

Ten months after Sen. Barbara Boxer secured federal funds to deploy National Guard troops to hinder illegal immigration, the program has not been implemented anywhere in the country and the Department of Defense has no plans to do so.

Last year, the first-term California senator hailed her so-called “Boxer National Guard Plan” as an innovative solution to the state’s illegal immigration problem. Supplementing federal Border Patrol agents with “well-trained, well-equipped” military personnel, Boxer said at the time, “could prove the most cost-effective way to bolster enforcement at the California border.”

Soon after Congress passed the legislation, however, the Defense Department ruled that the plan lacked any legal authority and decided not to carry it out. Thus, no state has been allowed to apply for the program and no federal money has been allocated for assigning National Guard units to deter illegal immigration.

At a time when California’s politicians are rushing to offer solutions to the problems many voters believe are caused by illegal immigration, this is an account of one major initiative that generated tremendous publicity, yet has accomplished little or nothing. The failure of the Boxer plan reveals the difficulties of finding answers to the vexing problem of unlawful immigration as well as the risks of proposing quick fixes.

“Frankly, (Boxer’s office) didn’t do their homework in terms of the legal requirements,” said one Pentagon official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “What was accomplished was not what they represented.”

Boxer declined to be interviewed about her border plan for this story. In a statement released by her office Friday, she said her objectives had been achieved, but she did not acknowledge that the Defense Department has refused to carry out her plan.

“To our knowledge no state has applied but the option is still available,” the statement said.

Like many politicians in California, Boxer succeeded in attracting favorable attention for her efforts to crack down on the tide of immigrants who enter the country illegally. The senator’s staff pointed to a Times poll last fall that found that 73% of Californians supported using the National Guard to halt illegal border crossings.

Although the Boxer plan appealed to the public, it has continued to draw widespread criticism from immigration reformists and immigrant rights activists — two sides that rarely see eye to eye.

The Boxer legislation is “an irresponsible suggestion at a time when the California Democratic Party needs strong, sensible leadership on a divisive issue,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of National Immigration Forum, a Washington-based immigrant rights organization.

Dan Stein, executive director of the conservative Federation for American Immigration Reform, said the press release that initially floated the Boxer plan produced no more than a paper airplane.

“I’m not aware of any other senator last year who tried to so brazenly exploit the issue without having done any kind of homework or without even a pretense of follow-up,” Stein said. “The initiative had so many obvious legal pitfalls and potential constitutional problems that needed to be worked out that it was never entertained as a legitimate proposal.”

The Boxer plan was neither scrutinized by the Senate nor voted on separately by Congress. Instead, at Boxer’s request, language was inserted into the Senate’s $239-billion defense appropriations bill directing the Pentagon to make available “not less than $2 million” for Border Patrol-related activities by the Guard. The money, subject to Pentagon approval of applications submitted by individual states, would come from the same federal account used by the Guard to assist law enforcement agencies in anti-drug operations.

However, Defense Department policy states that anti-drug funds cannot be used for immigration or any other non-drug purpose, Pentagon officials said. Because Boxer’s language did not grant specific legal authority to spend defense dollars on border enforcement, the Pentagon refused to allow states even to request money to fight illegal immigration under the Boxer plan, said Maj. Toivo Nei, a spokesman for the National Guard Bureau in Washington.

The Boxer plan “did not give us any legal authority to do anything differently, nor did it give us any additional funding,” Nei said.

So while California officials expressed interest in applying for the funds, they were prevented from doing so by the Defense Department.

“We have a document from the National Guard Bureau saying (the Boxer plan) is not legal and we can’t do it,” said Lt. Col. Tim Callan, executive officer of the California National Guard.

Moreover, the use of military troops to upgrade border enforcement is not supported by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

“The notion of putting the National Guard on the border, I hope you’ll agree with me, is simply not in this agency’s or this country’s best interests,” INS Commissioner Doris Meissner wrote to employees last fall.

The Guard initiative stood out as Boxer’s major immigration proposal during her first year in the Senate. She also supported the hiring of 400 new Border Patrol agents and spending $350 million to reimburse states for the cost of incarcerating undocumented felons. A Boxer proposal to double the criminal penalties for forging identification papers passed as part of the Senate crime bill and awaits final action.

When Boxer unveiled her National Guard proposal in July of last year, she suggested assigning 4,000 personnel to spend their obligated 15 days of annual training at the border. Under the plan, the troops would provide administrative assistance and accompany federal agents on patrol, but would not be authorized to make arrests or searches.

The prospect of armed forces in military uniforms assisting in immigration patrols at the nation’s borders for the first time in history drew protests from civil rights groups and criticism even from Republican hard-liners on the issue such as Gov. Pete Wilson. He called the plan “not helpful” and a violation of an international treaty that bans armed troops on the border.

But the Wilson Administration embraced parts of the Boxer proposal that would provide federal funding for non-enforcement jobs such as manning observation posts, repairing roads, erecting fences, transporting prisoners and maintaining vehicles.

These types of support services already were being provided at the border by the California National Guard at a cost of $19 million in federal anti-drug funds. In April, Wilson announced plans to triple the number of National Guard troops assisting the Border Patrol at the state’s southern boundary to work exclusively in the anti-drug, backup role. Under Wilson’s order, 127 additional National Guardsmen were assigned to the California-Mexico border using a combination of federal drug interdiction funds and state money.

Boxer was quick to issue a statement applauding Wilson’s order, even though her legislation did not provide any of the financing.

“I’m very pleased the governor has agreed that there is a good way to use the resources of the National Guard, in a civilian capacity, so Border Patrol officials can be freed up to do the important work of securing the border,” Boxer said in April.

In her statement Friday, Boxer said she saw no need to revise her legislation because the National Guard was being deployed at the California-Mexico border. She acknowledged that the Guard was already being used in the anti-drug role before she offered her plan.

Political analysts remain baffled why Boxer, one of the most liberal members of Congress who counts civil rights and minority leaders among her most loyal constituents, staked out territory that is normally the domain of much more conservative politicians.

Some suggested that Boxer felt pressure to come up with a solution to keep pace with her California colleague, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who has proposed a wide range of reforms that include a border crossing fee to pay for more patrol officers.

In any case, the National Guard initiative brought Boxer considerable discomfort. She became so upset with criticism from civil rights groups and Latino activists that she stormed out of a meeting with them in her San Francisco office last summer, according to participants. Also, two Latino aides on Boxer’s Washington staff told colleagues that they resigned partly in frustration over the senator’s National Guard proposal.

Before Boxer unveiled her plan, proposals to put the Guard at the border were considered far removed from the political mainstream, said Robert Rubin, assistant director of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights in San Francisco.

Now, Rubin said, Boxer has “allowed herself to be used by the extremist forces to push the debate in the exclusionary direction that it was going.”

GRAPHIC: Photo, Sen. Barbara Boxer’s plan for border drew fire from activists.


1,186 posted on 06/08/2007 3:58:25 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Sen. Graham, that's right... Say it loud, i'm an American citizen and i'm proud... heifer!)
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To: K-oneTexas
Senator Specter wanted to see any other ideas people have. Well, what do you say we MOAB something like this:
My advise, put it into Committee and don't let it see the light of day until it's reasonable and fair to the American people. 1st step, no amnesty provision (Vitter's Amndt). 2nd step finish building the fence/wall (Coburn Amdt). 3rd step enforce the immigration laws on the books (Coburn Amdt). 4th place more border patrol and other surveillance means. 5th place ensure no tax dollars flow out to them until they are citizens (Sessions Amdts). 6th place pay back taxes and fines or ship them home (Maybe the House needs to do this one). 7th tinker with the quota numbers if necessary, not because you can. And over all limit this bill to illegal immigrants, not legal immigrants, not refugees, not political aslyum seekers, not internees from WWII.
...and march it up the steps of the Capitol so it won't be missed?
1,187 posted on 06/08/2007 5:14:16 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

I’d add several of Cornyn’s Amendments on felons, etc too. As well as English only ... want something all you have to do is else ask. If States want something different, just like NM, put it into your Constitution.


1,188 posted on 06/08/2007 6:03:07 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Gulf War One

Lou Dobbs just read a funny e-mail from a Democrat, no less. It read.........’’Lou I am a Democrat and an atheist! But I just want to say thank GOD for the Republicans!’’ LOL..(the guy must live on the Southern border)


1,189 posted on 06/08/2007 3:26:22 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA (''Don't tread on the FRED!'' Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: Bush gal in LA

Thanks. That was funny.


1,190 posted on 06/08/2007 5:04:44 PM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: elizabetty
Dont worry about Isakson/Chambliss. We pretty much have them where we want them. They like being in the Senate and I believe from now on they will side with their constituents. Remember we can BOO them out of office. I hope to see everyone at their State Capitols 6/16/07 at 1:00. Wear White. Bring your American Flags and your English language.
1,191 posted on 06/09/2007 2:25:05 PM PDT by LynninGeorgia
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