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Immigration bill in doubt
Associated Press ^ | 07 June, 2007 | CHARLES BABINGTON,

Posted on 06/07/2007 1:51:28 AM PDT by Baladas

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To: ovrtaxt

Oh, you did. ...my mistake...trying to do two things at once. :-)


21 posted on 06/07/2007 2:54:26 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been])
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To: familyop

Doing two things at once— I can relate!


22 posted on 06/07/2007 2:59:18 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I would rather vote for Lindsay Lohan than Lindsey Graham.)
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To: Cowboy Bob; ovrtaxt

There are three things that really bug me about the move to import so much cheap labor at once, and one of those two things that most interested people don’t know about.

Most of us know but are afraid to publicly speak of the fact that it is much more generally expensive to assimilate foreigners who don’t speak English and have difficulties with our social customs.

Many of us don’t realize the danger of weakening cohesiveness between Americans in wartime. But then most of us don’t expect much of a war in the near future.

Very few of us realize that enlarging the labor pool so much and so suddenly is an alternative to lowering the fed rate as a way to stop inflation. The most recently noticeable way to stop inflation is to lower the fed rate (something that importers and merchants are afraid of). Lowering the fed rate can lower the dollar internationally. The trade imbalance (partially caused by the high dollar with respect to other currencies) between the USA and sometimes hostile, third world nations keeps profits very high for importers and merchants.

Lowering the fed rate during a time like this would likely cause some domestic deflation and lower our currency’s value internationally (which brings the trade imbalances down, lowers import profits, makes freight fuel costs lower, and encourages more domestic production). But flooding the labor pool as a way to fighting inflation might leave the dollar flying a little higher internationally for a short while.


23 posted on 06/07/2007 3:21:39 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been])
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To: familyop

http://www.Fairtax.org

The ultimate solution to our international trade problems.


24 posted on 06/07/2007 3:25:37 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I would rather vote for Lindsay Lohan than Lindsey Graham.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I agree. That way, the illegals that are already here actually pay for the services they use—and just maybe, it eliminates the financial incentive for them to stay.


25 posted on 06/07/2007 3:31:05 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Aggie Mama

Not only that, it turns America into the planet’s biggest and most desirable tax haven. Businesses that need highly skilled, disciplined workers will relocate.


26 posted on 06/07/2007 3:34:43 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I would rather vote for Lindsay Lohan than Lindsey Graham.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I use NUMBERS USA:
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27 posted on 06/07/2007 3:47:04 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they are crawling.)
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To: johnny7

I despise mort and fred as much as I do colmes these days.

LLS


28 posted on 06/07/2007 4:25:30 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Baladas

Nice job, Mr. Bush. You’ve managed to insult and alienate your entire base, revealing to anyone who was still loyal to you how little you really care about conservative values. And you didn’t even achieve what you set out to do with this bill. Fred Thompson will have to be a genius to win in 2008, after all the damage you’ve done to the party.


29 posted on 06/07/2007 4:46:13 AM PDT by Fairview ( Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.)
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To: Greg F

People are mighty upset and the people who are voting for this will not be returning to elected office period.


30 posted on 06/07/2007 5:08:37 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Fairview

Bush is a puppet. He is doing whatever big business and government want him to do. I hope our next President will not do the same.


31 posted on 06/07/2007 5:09:45 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Baladas

Sheila Lee Jackson was on FoxNews last night and claimed illegals will be punished. One of the “punishments” she stated would be requiring illegals to learn English. She thinks requiring people to learn English if they want to live here is a punishment. Unreal.


32 posted on 06/07/2007 5:11:47 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: familyop
Opponents said eligible applicants might be afraid to file applications if they believe they are connected to deportation actions. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said in an interview that Cornyn’s amendment was “not a deal-killer” but would have to be changed in House-Senate negotiations.

The sad truth is that this bill will look nothing like it does now after the conferees get through with it. I'm kind of surprised they fought ANY amendments, since they plan to fix it all in conference, and then use the ensuing destruction of the republican party next year to get enough of a majority to repeal all the enforcement and restrictions.

33 posted on 06/07/2007 6:19:15 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Baladas

Can I ask why no one is discussing the economics of creating 12 million NEW minimum wage earners?


34 posted on 06/07/2007 6:21:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TURN THE ENEMIES WEAPON AGAINST HIM

Call the “Senate Immigration Reform Hotline” at 1 800 417 7666
Press 1 for your senior senator, 2 for your junior senator.

This will connect you DIRECTLY to your senator without going through the congressional switchboard.

JAM THE LINES. LET THEM HEAR OUR ANGER AND FURY.


35 posted on 06/07/2007 6:22:21 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: freekitty

I took names on this one. Some FReeper named the Republican senators who voted with the democrat party on this one, and I printed and kept the names. God should only help them, and somehow I doubt he will.


36 posted on 06/07/2007 6:23:07 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: johnny7
The concrete between Fred's ears appears to be of superior quality... and steel-reinforced.

That would be Fred ReBar-nes.

37 posted on 06/07/2007 6:25:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: Baladas

If your Senator is on the right side, call and give a big Thank You! We have to stand behind those that stand for us.


38 posted on 06/07/2007 6:25:13 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer
by Robert E. Rector and Christine Kim Special Report #14

Each year, families and individuals pay taxes to the government and receive back a wide variety of services and benefits. A fiscal deficit occurs when the benefits and services received by one group exceed the taxes paid. When such a deficit occurs, other groups must pay for the services and benefits of the group in deficit. Each year, govern­ment is involved in a large-scale transfer of resources between different social groups.

Fiscal distribution analysis measures the distribution of total government benefits and taxes in society. It pro­vides an assessment of the magnitude of government transfers between groups. This paper provides a fiscal distri­bution analysis of households headed by immigrants without a high school diploma. It measures the total benefits and services received by this group and the total taxes paid. The difference between benefits received and taxes paid represents the total resources transferred by government on behalf of this group from the rest of society.

The first step in an analysis of the distribution of benefits and taxes is to count accurately the cost of all benefits and services provided by the government. The size and cost of government is far larger than many people imagine. In fiscal year (FY) 2004, the expenditures of the federal government were $2.3 trillion. In the same year, expendi­tures of state and local governments were $1.45 trillion. The combined value of federal, state, and local expenditures in FY 2004 was $3.75 trillion.[1] (excerpt)......

The Fiscal Cost of Low Skill Immigration
39 posted on 06/07/2007 6:29:09 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

“Can I ask why no one is discussing the economics of creating 12 million NEW minimum wage earners?”

Because that number will be about 30,000,000 to 40,000,000 over the next 5 years.

The reason? Because big-business Republicans want a cheap labor force to hold down wages. Democrats want a huge underclass with which they can wage class-warfare.

Neither will admit it.

I’ve seen it discusses in some threads here.


40 posted on 06/07/2007 6:39:15 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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