Posted on 06/06/2007 12:15:24 PM PDT by BigBlueJon
Please, send her to both!
Creeps are everywhere...parties, campuses, bars, shopping malls. Daylight is no guarantee against an attack. Scum comes in all shapes and sizes; look at some of the most notorious serial killers - they passed themselves off as nice guys!
Thankfully, I had 3 older brothers teach me to hold my own growing up; I was able to defend myself and avoided problematic situations. Nowadays, you can be in completely innocent surroundings and still find yourself a target!
Teenage girl recently kidnapped and murdered in Wichita.
SO very sad. I’m keeping her family in my prayers. When I read that she’d been abducted, I turned to our 19 year old daughter, who has had Rape Aggressive Defense training, and told her to NEVER allow anyone to force her into a car. Kick, scream, bite, slam her knee into his ‘nads, but don’t allow herself to be put into a car, because she’d likely never be seen alive again. By making a loud, messy fuss, the perp would probably leave her and run so that he could get away without any witnesses.
ALL young women need training in self protection. Our local police department offers Rape Aggressive Defense training, and our daughter took it with some other girls in her Senior Scout troop. The detectives who taught it were very blunt with the girls about what could happen to them, but gave them good, precise instruction on fighting back in case they're jumped. After three sessions of reading, lecture and discussion, the final night consisted of the detectives getting suited up in padded gear, grabbing for each girl, individually, and letting each one have the chance to wail on them.
I came in just before our daughter was up, and I was so proud of her! When they grabbed at her, she kicked and hit, and generally beat the snot out of the guys. All of the girls, and the several older women in the class did the same thing. The officers were mighty proud of them, I can tell you.
It was interesting, because at one point, the officers had a couple of the girls lie down and act as though they were sleeping so the guys could sneak up on them. One of the women was upset by this, and asked why they would do that to the girls, because it was scary. I interjected by telling her about a man who broke into the apartment of a single woman while we were living in Tallahassee. He started attacking her while she was sleeping, but she woke up, fighting back immediately, and scared him away because the noise attracted the neighbors. They need to be ready for anything.
So, it is different with guys ? We guys should be able to wear what we want. Take our shirts off and play basketball on a hot summer day. But women better not show any skin because if they do, they are beginning to be treated like an object ?
Yes Nan,
This one does get to me. And we should be carefull
but not just in Cincy.
You and I both live in appalachia.. small town America. But something tells me that if we *really* knew the people and everything that was going on within a..say.. 2 mile radius of where we live, we would totally freak.
Everyone has to be carefull of who they are around and trust these days. There are so many sickos in our society. I think it comes from evil. Not because of the way women or kids dress.
I need to chime in here guys.
se ohio someday you maybe the lucky to see your wife deliver into this world your beautiful daughter.
After this happens give it about five years after seeing your gift from God grow and bring joy into your life like you at this moment have yet to experience and then you will see Pyro’s point very clear. Trust me.
Please keep us updated.
It is going to take divine intervention for this family not to kill this piece of evil excrement.
The more those of us go rural for raising our families this IMO will happen.
Some families have bad blood and it moves too.
Just look ate Cain and Abel, wheat field. : )
when/if we have a daughter. I want her to be born into the United States of America, not Saudi Arabia. Waering tank tops and shorts is not what is creating these perverts and loons.
Again, I do not advocate women or anyone dressing offensive or any kind of non-decent conduct.
but tank tops and shorts ? are you kidding me ? No going to the beach either I assume.
Stop putting the blame on innocent people and trying to appease the bad guys. It is like terrorism. Americans shouldnt change the way we live to suit them. When we catch these guys, they need put to death.. NUFF SAID
Thought it was a technique to remember.
I too am praying for the family and for her soul,what a cross to bear. May God hold them close.
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13453443/detail.html
Edwin Hall is from Olathe, Kansas. A tip from the public lead to his arrest. One witness saw headlights in the park around 9 PM, which is within the time line for Kelsey’s disappearance. Police have found Hall’s pickup truck which was also seen on a surveillance video at the Target shopping area. There should be a wealth of forensic evidence in this truck. The body of Kelsey Smith was found 20 miles east of the shopping area in near Grandview, Montana. Because the body was found so soon after the murder, there will be a wealth of fresh evidence available.
Police will release elements of their evidence that point to Hall’s arrest Thursday morning.
Did not blame the victem.
Just said when if you have a daughter your views on modesty will change.
Young ladies can dress fashionalbe even at the beach but with modesty.
Why do you think street corner hookers dress the way they do?
They are selling a product.
Why don’t you see elderly woman dressing provocative?
It is not attractive and can be humorous.
Every see a young obese ladies wear low cut jeans and tight shirts? What runs through most mens mind?
Men are human and decent men can restraint fleeting thoughts.
Even not so decent men can restrain themselves.
Sick perverts which seem to becoming more pervasive in our culture/country do sick things.
Even to 80yr old woman.
IMO She was a target no matter what she wore.
But OTOH dressing without modesty no matter how innocent the thought behind it will attract mens eyes but as I said a major majority of men glance and move on.
Hugh Heffner did not become rich and famous for selling a magazine with modestly dressed woman.
And for as men taking off their shirt to play basketball, yes some women by human nature will take a look if he is toned and has a nice six pack.
I don’t like Fredrik Ljonberg because he is a great soccer/fotball player I like him because he is a great model for Calvin Klien underwear, well untill his last ad where they added a tall sexy blonde to the pic wrapping her body around him.
It’s human nature.
But to act on it and kill someone is evil.
At this point we don’t even know why the creep grabbed her and killed her may have nothing to do with sexuality could be he was had other motives for in his sick mind.
thanks
Congratulations on the upcoming wedding.
Have you already proposed and so that would make her a fiance.
If not hope she doesn't read this forum it will really squash that surprise of the special moment you do ask her.
I am proposing next week. :). I got the ring. the night is set up.
She does not read this site as far as I know.
I mean. She has been on FR. I told her about the site and she has read my profile. but I know she does not read it on a regular basis. She is not really into politics that much.
is what I meant to say.
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