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Giuliani leads, Thompson 2nd in new GOP Poll
LatestPolitics.com ^ | June 6, 2007 | Ryan Sager

Posted on 06/06/2007 8:16:14 AM PDT by John Cena

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To: LS
But it's silly to write off Rudy.

Time will tell.

41 posted on 06/06/2007 9:03:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("All the measures of the law should protect property and punish plunder." --Frederic Bastiat)
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To: TexanSniper; John Cena

>> With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview <<

What the hell are you talking about???


42 posted on 06/06/2007 9:03:16 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: John Cena

Ah yes, the home phone poll...I have yet to see a MSM piece on how the pollsters are dealing with people like me and my two voting age sons who use cell phones and internet phones that are not listed.


43 posted on 06/06/2007 9:05:23 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: TexanSniper
With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview this race is about to get more interesting.

Whatever it is you're smokin', it ain't a cigarette....

44 posted on 06/06/2007 9:05:27 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: jonathanmo

>> 4.Some consider Pro-Choice to mean being against Roe Vs Wade, and letting the issue be decided by the States. (Federalist) <<

That’s a definition of Pro-Choice I have never before heard in my life!


45 posted on 06/06/2007 9:06:30 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Fred had better keep the girl away from any real info... she just spies for the dims!

LLS


46 posted on 06/06/2007 9:07:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: John Cena

It was a BS statement!

LLS


47 posted on 06/06/2007 9:08:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: jonathanmo

>> 2.Some consider Pro-Life to mean being against Roe Vs Wade, and letting the issue be decided by the States. (Federalist) <<

And this definition, while not quite insane, is pretty strange. It’s only true inasmuch as some politicans have opposed Roe-v-Wade on the basis that it’s anti-Democratic, allowing themselves to align with pro-lifers by taking pro-life positions on federal legislation without getting labelled “anti-choice.” Kay Bailey Hutchinson comes to mind first. But even so, it’s merely a matter of some peope perceiving pro-choice moderates who happen to be federalists as pro-life.


48 posted on 06/06/2007 9:10:57 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: irish guard
Ah yes, the home phone poll...I have yet to see a MSM piece on how the pollsters are dealing with people like me and my two voting age sons who use cell phones and internet phones that are not listed.

The fact that you and your sons have cell phones and VOI, and thus wouldn't be polled, doesn't matter (sorry to burst your bubble). Statistically speaking, pollsters call a few hundred people, possibly at most a couple of thousand, and use these responses to statistically approximate (with MoE depending on sampling size) for the much larger population from which the respondants were sampled. In a country our size, the likelihood of any one person being randomly chosen for participation in a poll is miniscule anywise, so you are practically as likely not to be polled, even if you had a traditional landline - and this wouldn't affect the validity of the poll in the least. The math still works out the same, regardless of whether any one member of the population is sampled.

49 posted on 06/06/2007 9:11:54 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Run Fred RUN!)
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To: dangus
Hey Dangus...that's a definition I've seen lately here on FR and have actually heard around in public lately. For example, if a candidate considers abortion a state's rights issue, and the same candidate never comes out and says "Abortion is murder," he can be considered pro-choice because he is not "anti-abortion".
50 posted on 06/06/2007 9:13:15 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s what people said three months ago.


51 posted on 06/06/2007 9:15:24 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: TexanSniper

No, I think it’s as much full of crap as your post. “Pro-life” has never meant being satisfied with states permitting abortion, and pro-choice has never meant being in favor of state prohibitions of abortion. #24 is the most tortured abuse of language I have ever read on Free Republic, and your post is an outright falsehood.

If you don’t supply any statement of Fred’s to back up your assertion that Fred just came out “pro-choice,” I will have to conclude you are a liar.


52 posted on 06/06/2007 9:16:06 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: TexanSniper; Admin Moderator
I believe post #24 describes the matter accurately.

You, sir, are a liar - I checked the transcript. Fred never said he was pro-choice last night. Your post 24 nonsense is CYA material.

Take your propaganda somewhere else.

53 posted on 06/06/2007 9:17:12 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (2nd Amendment - the reboot button on the U.S. Constitution)
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To: LS
That’s what people said three months ago.

And since then, Guiliani's flatlined and lost his air of invincibility. Three months from now, he might very well be an asterisk compared to the Romney/Thompson matchup.

54 posted on 06/06/2007 9:21:04 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: kevkrom

Isn’t going to happen. He’s raising money like crazy. He’s still the #1 candidate, regardless of what Freepers think. Fred might change that. But he has to be on stage to change anything.


55 posted on 06/06/2007 9:23:38 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: TexanSniper
With Thompson apparently coming out as pro choice as per last night’s interview...

LIAR

56 posted on 06/06/2007 9:25:47 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: LS
Isn’t going to happen. He’s raising money like crazy. He’s still the #1 candidate, regardless of what Freepers think. Fred might change that. But he has to be on stage to change anything.

Guiliani has pretty much peaked in his support. He will not benefit much as other candidates drop out -- that support will go mostly to his biggest rivals, which are probably going to be Romney and Thompson. If one of those two pulls well ahead of the other, he immediately becomes the favorite to win.

And, as for Thompson, he's managed to change quite a bit of this race without having gotten on that stage yet.

57 posted on 06/06/2007 9:27:31 AM PDT by kevkrom ("Government is too important to leave up to the government" - Fred Dalton Thompson)
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To: John Cena
The rationalizing by “real” conservatives disgusts me. In 2000, GWBush was the “real” conservative, and all the rest were “pseudo” conservatives or “rhinos”. Hindsight, and after the debate last night, I know John McCain would have made a better leader than GWBush.

Now, how does John McCain get a label like “rhino”, while Fred Thompson, same legislative support, same congress of Bill Frist, get anointed a “real” conservative?

RReagan spent twenty years clawing and championing his way to a leadership position to defeat communism. Fred Thompson builds an unprofessional website—and it’s bad—in one month and the guy can’t answer what his most important issue is as President (2:04 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr6SnS2YjDA )

Fred sounds unprepared and sloppy on Hannity and other shows. His website looks unprepared and sloppy. The next President has a lot of work to do to stop the demobilization of the United States. And you want others to vote for Fred Thompson to mobilize the country to defeat terrorism?

“Honor, Duty, Country?”
By William F. Buckley Jr.
http://author.nationalreview.com/latest/?q=MjE0Ng==

58 posted on 06/06/2007 9:27:49 AM PDT by ridge
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To: LS
Fred might change that. But he has to be on stage to change anything.

You being a history writer, I cannot believe you don't recognize history in the making. He is a major player without entering yet. And now that he is raising money...

I don't know how he could be playing this any better IMHO.

59 posted on 06/06/2007 9:28:51 AM PDT by Mensius
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To: John Cena
This morning, INTRADE has the lineup as follows...

Fred - 25.6
Rooty - 24.3
Romney - 22.2
McInsane - 15.3

Rooty (2007 high was 42) and McInsane (2007 high was 50) are losing ground. Romney (2007 high was 24) is working on a bit of a surge and hanging in there, Fred (he's now at his 2007 high) is showing constant strength.

These numbers tend to be more realistic than polls because people are betting real money on them, not talking to pollsters.

60 posted on 06/06/2007 9:30:53 AM PDT by Gritty (I think we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party-Duncan Hunter, 06/05/07)
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