Posted on 06/05/2007 9:37:35 AM PDT by zeugma
While posting on another thread, the SS "totalization agreement" with Mexico came to mind.
I did some searching around and havent found anything indicating that the President has signed this yet.
From the Social Security wepage on it:
Effective date of an agreement with Mexico
In the United States, once the agreement is signed, the President will submit the agreement to Congress where it must sit in review for 60 session days. If Congress takes no action during this time, the agreement can move forward.
In Mexico, once the agreement is signed, the Mexican Senate must approve it.
The linked page has a lot of propaganda about how wonderful this is going to be, and various lies about how it is not going to actually cost the U.S. taxpayer untold billions, but can't seem to locate when it should become "law".
It can become law when this country falls.
Which is hopefully never.
Please repost your question or questions without the gratuitous insult.
I guess Presidente Bush is waiting to legalize 20 million more to suck off the SS before he signs it and losses 110% of the voters....
Could someone help me out with this, I must be reading it incorrectly. Are they saying that old people who worked in Mexico, with a spotty work history, and come here when they're 75 years old will be able to draw on our SSI system? I have to be reading it wrong.
>>>>English-Language Requirement. Section 705 would drop the English-language requirement for immigrants aged 75 or older to naturalize. That provision would enable some older LPRs with inadequate work history to naturalize and gain eligibility for SSI and Medicaid. CBO estimates that SSI benefits would increase by $150 million over the 2008- 2017 period and an extra 2,200 beneficiaries would be on the rolls in 2017. Medicaid outlays would increase by $30 million over the 10-year period, with 400 individuals receiving additional Medicaid benefits.<<<<<
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What I don’t understand is WTF is going to happen when those who pay for these $$’s die off?
Are we headed for Mexico City?
Just what do I have to leave my Caucasian blonde daughter of 12 years old? Rape and murder?
Flame away!
The Cost of Illegal Earnings Under Totalization With Mexico
According to what I've read on TSCL's web site, the agreement was supposed to be in place by 2005. Thank goodness we've been able to forestall it's implementation.
I suspect that Bush is waiting until after he gets his so-called 'comprehensive immigraion reform' to submit this to Congress. For more details, see: Social Security Reform & Protecting Benefits
From what I’ve read on the SSA site, it doesn’t actually need to be submitted to congress. These “agreements” become “law” if he signs and congresscritters don’t act.
Or not. I calls them likes I seems them.
A mexican can live like a king on the lowest of the social security payments.
I believe they also will need fewer quarters than an American does to get a check.
This administration wants to bankrupt SS . They are right on track
According to the terms of the agreement, the Mexican illegal alien only needs to work 6 quarters (18 months) before they become eligible to apply for benefits. US citizens (read: you and I) have to work 40 quarters (10 years) before we're eligible to apply.
Or how ya smells’em? Cause this stinks too !
= )
It's actually worse than that.
Technically, Congress' disapproval isn't really binding as it would constitute an unconstitutional legislative veto.
No, the only one who can prevent the agreement from going into effect is the petty little tyrant in the White House.
And we all now know where he stands when it comes to Mexicans vs. Americans.
He will take the Mexican's side, every time.
Oh, well, if ya want to go dragging that old dead letter out, I'd have to say the whole thing violates Article I section 2:
(The President) shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate,
Of course all provisions of the Constituion that are inconvienient to the government were declared null and void years ago.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that the federal government in it's current form, gives little thought to the Constitution or whether their actions are in accordance with it's provisions.
From the House Ways and Means Committee report:
According to the Congressional Research Service, the resolution of disapproval mechanism currently in the Social Security Act is an unconstitutional legislative veto, based on the Supreme Court’s decision in INS v. Chadha (462 U.S. 919 (1983)) where the Supreme Court struck down a similar provision in the Immigration and Nationality Act.
But, there is more information. (The U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement)
Following in the footsteps of concerned members of the 109th Congress, Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) introduced legislation (S. 43) in the 110th Congress that would change the way that Totalization Agreements are considered and finalized. The bill, which is called the “Social Security Totalization Agreement Reform Act” or “STAR Act,” would require all Social Security totalization agreements to be treated as bilateral trade agreements, thus requiring both houses of Congress to pass a resolution approving such an agreement before it could take effect; and would shift the burden to the advocates of a totalization agreement to prove its merits, as opposed to gridlock resulting in an agreement becoming operative (i.e., current law states that agreements go into effect automatically within 60 days after the President submits the agreement to Congress unless either chamber passes a resolution disapproving the agreement).
House members introduced several bills concerning totalization agreements. Rep. Barbara Cubin (R-Wyo.) introduced H.R. 279, which is similar to Sen. Ensign’s bill. It also would treat totalization agreements like bilateral trade agreements and make the advocates prove the merits.
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) introduced H.R. 190, which also would prohibit an individual who is not a U.S. citizen or national, for purposes of Social Security benefits, from being credited for income earned while he/she was not a citizen or national. Furthermore, it would require all totalization agreements to take that prohibition into account.
H.Res. 18, sponsored by Rep. Virgil Goode (R-Va.), and H.Res. 22, sponsored by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), would express disproval of the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement, effectively killing the Agreement if passed.
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