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Plot To Blow Up JFK Is 'Tip Of The Iceberg'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-4-2007 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 06/03/2007 7:53:27 PM PDT by blam

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To: BJungNan

See link at #33....


41 posted on 06/03/2007 11:34:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“The plot as painted by law enforcement officials was cataclysmic: A home-grown Islamic terrorist had in mind detonating fuel storage tanks and pipelines and setting fire to Kennedy International Airport, not to mention a substantial swath of Queens.”

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm

CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense. So, under this law, a ‘conspiracy’ is an agreement or a kind of ‘partnership’ in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member...etc etc...

That covers the Intent. Now, let’s have a look at Motive!

I’m sooooo happy I live in Australia where most journalists still know how to write, and some newspapers are still worth reading.


42 posted on 06/03/2007 11:43:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
You ....LUCKY GUY!!!!

LOL!

Nite....Have a good day.

43 posted on 06/03/2007 11:54:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: BJungNan

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21843797-2703,00.html

The plot included a former cargo handler at the airport and a Muslim cleric who had been a Guyanese MP and involved scouting the targets using the web-based satellite imaging tool Google Earth.

(so, stop picking on blam for posting a graphic of the pipeline!)

BAN GOOGLE EARTH! BAN CELL PHONES! BAN AIRCRAFT! BAN FERTILIZER! BAN you name it...


44 posted on 06/03/2007 11:58:24 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Diogenesis
Terroris Abdul Kadir: "We are victims. Otherwise, this would have been covered today on the front page of the New York Times, above the fold."

Actually, they had it on page 30.

45 posted on 06/04/2007 12:08:28 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Fred Nerks
However, the uneven development of plots in Sydney and Melbourne demonstrates that training, experience and international connections continue to be important factors in determining whether, and how quickly, a terrorist organization can make the transition from intention to capability.

Course it can. As I said there are threats, but this one was not feasible, either physically or by planning. Even with a lot of help from the FBI. I don't expect terrorist masterminds would require extensive help and ask for leadership from the informants the FBI plants.

46 posted on 06/04/2007 4:36:17 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the ping. Gotta get ready for work. And I taint feeling to well, sore throat and caughing. I may not be signing in for a bit. Do have a great day.


47 posted on 06/04/2007 5:50:45 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: blam
"Although a lot of the public focus is on Europe, we're also looking closely at the home-grown threat and what's going on in our own back yard."

I wish they'd stop with this "home-grown' carp! This man may have been a citizen, but he was born and raised elsewhere. He and his fellow conspirators were not part of the United States, they were only ever against it, as were the Fort Dix group, most of whom were foreigners, NOT citizens!

Just because they happen to LIVE here, doesn't mean their plots are 'home-grown', they are moles, planted here among us, working to do us harm.

48 posted on 06/04/2007 8:57:16 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: jwalburg

They are perfectly normal except their religion encourages ignorance and underachievement.


49 posted on 06/04/2007 8:58:53 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Diogenesis
Another map - Consealed Carry


50 posted on 06/04/2007 9:01:59 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Satan is working both sides of the street in World Socialism and World Courts.)
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To: rbg81
When this a$$ clown gets to prison, I’m sure his fellow inmates will show him the ropes (so to speak). They may not succeed in killing him twice, but I bet he’s going to wish he was dead quite a few times.

A black muslim? Hell, they will think he's a bloody hero.

51 posted on 06/04/2007 9:19:18 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: All
There is a book (now available in paperback ):

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Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left
(Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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And reviews:

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Editorial Reviews

Rich Lowry, Editor National Review

David Horowitz is synonymous with pyrotechnics. A historian and polemicist of the first order, he is paid the ultimate compliment --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Davis Hanson, Author, Ripples of Battle

An original look at those who want us to fail in the Middle East, both at home and abroad. The --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

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See all Editorial Reviews

Fascinating Analysis of Leftist Goals, August 13, 2006

Reviewer: N. Sincerity - See all my reviews

A former 1960s radical, Horowitz is well-acquainted with the Leftist mindset. In this book, he strives to explain the modern alliance between left wing progressivists and radical Islamofascists. He argues that this alliance is based on a common desire to destroy Western capitalism. Leftist sympathy with Islamofascist ideas makes no sense from an intellectual point of view, given that countries ruled by radical Islamists are among the most racist, sexist, theocratic states in the world today. However, Leftists have recognized that they can benefit politically from destructive terrorist attacks on the Western world. A West under attack can be made to turn on its leaders in fear and desperation (as they did in Spain after the Madrid train bombings). Only once people reject current government structures can the Left execute its anti-capitalist revolution and build a new reality that mirrors the Leftist view of utopia.

The complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us,

Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means.

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52 posted on 06/04/2007 10:02:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Good article Fred. And I believe it could have been written to represent the conditions in just about any western nation.


53 posted on 06/04/2007 5:56:52 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle

posting here just for the record...

http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_153193902.html

List Of Foiled Terrorist Plots Since 9/11
Watch The Entire FBI Press Conference Here
(CBS/AP) NEW YORK Some of the cases of plots that U.S. authorities say they have foiled since Sept. 11, 2001 include:

December 2001: Richard Reid, a British citizen and self-described follower of Osama bin Laden, foiled an attempt to blow up a Paris-to-Miami flight with explosives hidden in his shoes. He pleaded guilty in 2002.

May 2002: Jose Padilla is arrested in Chicago on a return trip from Pakistan. Initially held as an enemy combatant and accused of planning to build a “dirty bomb,” he was formally charged with aiding foreign jihadists in a Miami court in 2005. His trial began May 14.

September 2002: The “Lackawanna Six,” American citizens of Yemeni descent living near Buffalo, N.Y., are arrested for allegedly having attended an al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks. The six pleaded guilty in 2003 to providing material support to a terrorist organization.

May 2003: Iyman Faris of Columbus, Ohio, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Kashmir, pleads guilty to supporting al-Qaida. He was accused of planning to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge. He is sentenced to 20 years.

June 2003: In Virginia, the FBI charges a group of men with being part of a conspiracy to support holy war overseas. In all, 11 men eventually were convicted in what the government described as a “Virginia jihad network” that used paintball games as a form of training.

August 2004: U.S. authorities issue alert, announce evidence of a years-long plot to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions in New York, Washington and Newark, N.J. They later accuse plotters of also planning attacks in England. Eventually, five men pleaded guilty in London, where alleged ringleader Dhiren Barot was convicted. At least one other man is awaiting trial.

August 2004: Two men are arrested on the eve of the Republican Convention in New York for allegedly plotting to blow up a busy subway station. James Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, eventually pleaded guilty and testified against the other man, Shahawar Matin Siraj, a Pakistani. Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison; Elshavy to five.

August 2004: Authorities arrest two leaders of a mosque in Albany, N.Y., and charge them with aiding in a purported plot to buy a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat. The former imam of the Masjid As-Salam mosque, Kurdish refugee Yassin Aref, and Mohammed Hossain, a mosque founder, were later found guilty to counts relating to money laundering and conspiracy.

June 2005: A Pakistani immigrant and his American-born son in Lodi, Calif., are arrested for allegedly lying to the FBI about the younger man’s training at a jihadist camp in Pakistan. Hamid Hayat, the son, was found guilty of supporting terrorism and lying to the FBI. He is seeking a new trial. The case against Umer Hayat, the father, ended in a mistrial; he later pleaded guilty to lying to a customs agent about trying to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.

August 2005: Four California men, one the founder of a radical Islamic prison group, are indicted for allegedly conspiring to attack Los Angeles-area military bases, synagogues and other targets. The men have pleaded not guilty and await trial.

February 2006: Three men are arrested in Toledo, Ohio, for allegedly providing material support to terrorists. One of the men is accused of downloading videos on the use of suicide-bomb vests.

April 2006: Two Georgia men are charged with material support of terrorism after allegedly videotaping buildings in the Washington area, including the Capitol and the World Bank, and sending the video to a London extremist active on jihadist Web sites.

June 2006: The FBI announces the arrests of seven men in Miami and Atlanta in what officials called the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, and destroy FBI offices and other buildings. All pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial.

July 2006: U.S. authorities announce the arrest of Assem Hammoud, a Lebanese man they claim was plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels to flood the financial district.

March 2007: A Pentagon transcript is released indicating that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to that attack and a string of other terror plots, including that of Reid, during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

May 2007: Six men were arrested in an alleged plot to unleash a bloody rampage on Fort Dix in New Jersey. Five are charged with conspiring to kill military personnel and could face life in prison if convicted. The sixth faces up to 10 years in prison if he is convicted of weapons charges.

June 2007: Four Muslim men planned to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through residential neighborhoods. Three men were arrested and one was being sought in Trinidad.


54 posted on 06/05/2007 12:30:58 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: blam
What are “ethnic Albanians” and isn’t that phrase redundant?

Doesn’t the writer really mean to write “Muslim Albanians?”

I’m sure there are a couple of Eastern Rite Albanians still in Albania. Wouldn’t that make them “ethnic Albanians” also?

55 posted on 06/05/2007 1:47:53 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: aruanan
the plan "was not technically possible"

I don't believe that statement. It's an engineering problem. It's solvable. The solution may end up being impractical -- but I'm sure that there are several technical solutions to this problem that are workable.
56 posted on 06/05/2007 2:01:46 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: blam

But the NY Times put the story on Page 34...so it must not be too important of an iceberg...more like ice chips.


57 posted on 06/05/2007 2:13:12 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (Liberals : So open-minded....their brains have all fallen out)
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To: Beckwith
I’m sure there are a couple of Eastern Rite Albanians still in Albania. Wouldn’t that make them “ethnic Albanians” also?

Reminds me of the description of a black South African photo display as "African American South African".
58 posted on 06/05/2007 3:16:39 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Fred Nerks
Never hurts to remind us that these snakes slither around in the grasses of our lands. And the snakes where let out of the bags long before Iraq was invaded. The horse feathers some piss and moan about that GWB caused this crap is for the birds.
59 posted on 06/05/2007 6:13:04 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Islam must be banned in the US — if not by a Constitutional Amendment removing it from the “religion” category, then by whatever other avenue is available.


60 posted on 06/05/2007 10:12:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (When I played baseball, I wondered why the ball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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