Posted on 06/03/2007 1:15:37 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
How is it concealing when the "security expert" (read FUD spreader) cites that the method to find this "concealed" data is"
The data added to files without copy protection can be viewed by right-clicking the track from within iTunes, then selecting "Get Info," said "mordaxus," one of the regulars who writes on the security blog "Emergent Chaos."
That's not concealed. And, it is not new.
Bump!
I agree and think it is the same anyplace that sells music. I’ve had Windows media player refuse to convert .wma files I purchased elsewhere and still needed to burn to cd first.
I am in hopes itunes will simplify the process to convert to MP3 for use on other type players such as GPS with SD memory.
I considered that and also looked at the stamp as no more than a receipt. Thank you for your opinion.
I’m sorry, are you trying to have a conversation with me or accuse me of something illegal?
Apples were meant for eating. My mom taught me not to play with my food. Blackbird.
No accusations. I was simply pointing out that there should be no fear of this “personal data” - ie. your name and email address being a security problem if the files are being used legally.
At first, I thought it no more than a receipt for goods.
That implies I have purchased something and it is now one of my possessions. Unlike a paper receipt, I cannot discard this receipt when I am satisfied with the purchase nor can I return it if I am not satisfied with it. Also, it appears that if I am not satisfied with the purchase or product (my property), I can't give it away either.
.02 worth
First off I don't have a dog in this show. I don't download music not do I trade music.
Is that anything like, "This dog don't hunt!"?? Just wondering.... :-)
But, even if you don't, you will at some point in time, unless you simply have nothing at all to do with music and never will have anything to do with it, until the day you die. If you can't say that, then at some point in the future, you will have something to do with this, as it's being set up, right now, as the new method for acquiring and owning music. The old ways will be antiques, only to be seen in museums, like 78s and 45s, and 8-tracks, etc. At first, I thought it no more than a receipt for goods. That implies I have purchased something and it is now one of my possessions. Unlike a paper receipt, I cannot discard this receipt when I am satisfied with the purchase nor can I return it if I am not satisfied with it. Also, it appears that if I am not satisfied with the purchase or product (my property), I can't give it away either.
Well, of course it is more than a receipt for goods. You do get the receipt for goods, separate from this, anyway. You get that by e-mail detailing the purchase and the date and time and the item and the amount paid. This contains none of that. What this is -- is simply your electronic signature of ownership for this online music file.
Now, this was "in there" when the DRM was activated and it's still in there when the DRM has been de-activated (as in the Apple/EMI deal). So, this has nothing to do with the DRM. It was there before and it's there now. It's been the same, all along.
It simply shows that you are the one who bought it, nothing more and nothing less. Now, as to what someone can do with it, that's a completely different story. I would imagine that if someone decided to blast the file out on the Internet and give it away for free to 1,000 other Internet users, then there might be some action and consequences for that. But, in using the file in a normal manner, I can't see what kinds of problems that people would run across.
As far as returning the product, you'll see that before you even buy the product that you are not going to be able to return it. So, name on there or no name on there -- that was never the case in the first place. You were never able to buy a bunch of music and then return it all later. I'm pretty sure that no one ever thought that they could get away with such a brazen act, anyway.
As far as giving the product away, I don't see a problem with that. You do own it, so you do have the right to give it away. I may have purchased a special CD from a record company that had a promotion where they would engrave my name on the CD, and then ship it to me. I may decide I don't want it and if someone doesn't mind my name being engraved on the CD, they can accept the CD from me (if I want to give it to them).
Also, I may have even purchased a specially engraved iPod, with my name and address on there (for whatever reasons I wish) and if I wanted to give the iPod away, there would be no one to tell me that I could not give it away, simply because my name and address was engraved on there.
Likewise, if I have my name and e-mail address "engraved" on the music file, there will be no one to tell me that I can't give it away, either.
Just like other sales of any other physical item, I would always keeps receipts and sales records, to show that you've sold something or have given it away. Records are always nice to have (although I know many people don't pay attention to that). And so, if you sell it, or give it away, have a record of it and make sure you did give it away and not simply make a copy for someone else. If you did sell it and/or give it away -- like I said -- there is no one to tell you that you cannot do this.
Thus, I still don't see what the problem might be..., other than some people who like to perpetually gripe about things. Other than that, it seems to be a pretty straightforward way to handle online music files.
45's and 8tracks are neat.
I'm 54 and will probably never get into the online music thing - but you never know :)
It isn't so that I have a gripe as I only know that your computer searches for and updates programs and software automatically. Once a piece of software is encoded with your e-mail and name, it is forever. I guess worse case, the e-mail account you give them is subject to spam.
Again, no biggie to me - I have lots of e-mail addresses to give out.
Be well my FRiend.
The only thing I have against this is that Apple should tell you up front that they do it. Of course, that could be somewhere and I wouldn’t know because I’ve never bought from iTunes. I will now that the DRM is gone.
Hear that Apple and EMI, removing DRM just got you a customer! Are the other labels listening?
I'm 54 and will probably never get into the online music thing - but you never know :)
Well, you never know is right. :-)
And, by the way, I'm 58 (ahhh..., I'm giving away something that I've only hinted at before....). I only say that because I found it so convenient to grab a lot of the oldie music, online, from years ago. And it's just so extremely convenient to have it gathered together, on the computer and/or iPod. I started with the online music (or rather "music by computer files") back before iTunes was ever created. That was in the wild and wooley Napster days and with SoundJam (a "music program" for Mac computers). Apple bought SoundJam and converted it into the iTunes program and then, later, added the "iTunes Music Store" in 2003.
It was so much fun grabbing music files off Napsters and also putting my collection of CDs onto the computer. Many of the Napster files were so esoteric that I would have never found them any other way, and then having my collection of CDs all together in one place was great, too.
But, I've still got some 45s, 78s and 33s, and a good turntable to convert them to digital versions. I don't have 8-tracks, though, although a friend of mine in high school did. I remember them.
Then, of course, there's the Russian online music store "AllofMP3" where I've also picked up some albums, other than from iTunes.
Having your music and/or sound files (like raido programs and the like) along with TV programs is really great, actually...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Perhaps this IS something I should look into.
Good to meet you
I used iTunes for a short time in 2003, but have never purchased anything from the iTunes Store (formally the iTunes Music Store). Apparently some people didn’t know that seeing their names on each track meant that if any of those tracks was copied to another device (CD, DVD, another computer, etc.) that information would be included in the copy. Apple should clarify this, without admitting any fault.
Thank You Star Traveler for clarifying this issue for me.
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