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I know the NYT doesn't qualify as a news source, but thought you might enjoy this article. The link is on the free side of their site, too, so no registration is required.
1 posted on 06/03/2007 1:07:20 PM PDT by RKV
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Nice quote from Ted Nugent also...

“Black rifles are cool. Case closed. The more the better.”


2 posted on 06/03/2007 1:09:18 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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4 posted on 06/03/2007 1:15:35 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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Mr. Zumbo, chastened by the outcry that his black-rifle comments set off, says he hopes to resume writing about hunting and to revive his popular cable television show, which was put on hiatus when it lost sponsors after the blog post. He says his time at Mr. Nugent’s ranch reminded him that gun owners have to reject banning any firearm, lest it open the door to banning them all. He also says that, like it or not, black rifles are now mainstream.

“Having met the people who shoot these things, they were regular folks; they weren’t sinister people who were bent on causing harm, they weren’t hostile people,” he says. “They were interested in the guns because they were fun to shoot.”


5 posted on 06/03/2007 1:18:20 PM PDT by LetGoNow
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“terrorist rifles.”

How about "SWAT Team rifles"?

7 posted on 06/03/2007 1:22:18 PM PDT by glorgau
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The M16 made a certain amount of sense in a jungle war in which you saw the enemy from 50’ away. In wars in mountain and desert terrain, it is problematical, and that’s aside from the question of having exhaust gas blowing straight back into bolt carrier parts. People who collect guns should have one of them; for an only gun, I’d not consider it.


9 posted on 06/03/2007 1:22:29 PM PDT by rickdylan
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Twice the stopping power. One-fifth the price.


10 posted on 06/03/2007 1:24:58 PM PDT by pabianice
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Lots of people lately talk about showing loyalty to the Republicans or defending Bush because of the amnesty deal. Personally I don't feel that way about elected officials. I want my elected officials to be afraid of me. I want them to be afraid that if they make one false step, then they're going to have to answer to a bunch of people who are armed and can back up their intentions. I want them to be afraid for their lives, and then I want them to legislate that way... as if one wrong step will be their end.

The Republicans in government aren't my friends. They are the least offensive vermin available. And the second amendment is the original "check and balance".

11 posted on 06/03/2007 1:25:00 PM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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I just built a beauty of an AR, so count me in the EBR fan club. I started with a California off-list CMMG stripped lower, a Bushmaster lower parts kit and A2 stock and a modified grip to make it California legal.

I topped it off with a JP Enterprises JP-15 18” upper, Leupold 1 - 4 x 20mm scope and a JPoint red dot mounted at a 45° on the handguard.

It is a tack driver...and as evil looking as you could want. So thanks Zumbo.


13 posted on 06/03/2007 1:28:16 PM PDT by telebob
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“We were never claiming that every buyer of an assault weapon is a criminal or is a potential mass killer,” says Dennis Hennigan of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in Washington.

But in 1994, Shmucky Chuck Schumer was: ““These killing machines are the weapon of choice of drug traffickers, violent youth gangs and the seriously deranged bent on revenge through mass murder.”


19 posted on 06/03/2007 1:48:49 PM PDT by flowerplough
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“Having met the people who shoot these things, they were regular folks; they weren’t sinister people who were bent on causing harm, they weren’t hostile people,” he says. “They were interested in the guns because they were fun to shoot.”

So he wrote his idiot article before researching the subject,Hum, typical journalist I see!


20 posted on 06/03/2007 1:50:31 PM PDT by ontap
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I own two Bushmaster AR15s. One is a short M4 lookalike, and the other is a long rifle. They are A LOT of fun to shoot. The ammo is so cheap you can go out and plink and target shoot all afternoon for $25.

The only thing I don’t like about them is the cleaning after a day of fun. They DO NOT LIKE to be dirty, and they have a few small parts that take a good bit time to clean.


21 posted on 06/03/2007 1:50:31 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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"(fairly neutral article on AR-15 type rifles from the NYT)"

The choice of words, "AR-15 type," with the title lends a sinister look to a article on semiautomatic rifles. The earlier AR-15s were fully automatic and were later designated "M-16s" by our Army (except for a few of the first ones, issued with the old AR-15 stamp). Many voters who have no experience with them or knowledge of them believe that they are fully automatic or are somehow generally more dangerous than other varmint/defense rifles.

I personally find the whole piece to be hilarious. ..."guns" (term for M-60s and private parts) "black rifles," and the like.

If you can grasp the workings of linguistic activism, you can win legislative activism to respect our Second Amendment rights. Let the world know that those range/varmint rifles are no more of a threat to our society than any other firearm.


24 posted on 06/03/2007 2:02:15 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been])
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It's remarkable, the improvements made since that rifles inception. I'm an old DCM (that old) shooter and never thought that the AR would dislodge the M1A as the dominant High Power Match rifle. It has though.

That said, no military pattern rifle will ever be able to steal my heart away from my Garand (I said I was old didn't I?). It's a treat to be able to use the word "clip" with impunity and watch all the pedantic types twitch.

25 posted on 06/03/2007 2:04:18 PM PDT by VR-21
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Imagine how much more dangerous our cities would be, if young “gangsters” discovered scoped, bolt action 30-06s. Cities are safer, while the punks are spraying loose rounds all over the place with “cool” looking firearms.


30 posted on 06/03/2007 2:26:02 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been])
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The second admendment wasn’t for hunting.....

Animals that is....


41 posted on 06/03/2007 2:49:16 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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Ah, Americas Rifle.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/long_guns/americanar_031807/index.html

Well, opinions vary. I prefere .30 bullets. But I don’t have an M-14 yet(SOCOM). My AR works great for me with good mags. Hits good at 300 yds with the factory peeps. Any way, looks like the black rifle is here to stay.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/long_guns/aervicer_033007/


71 posted on 06/03/2007 4:51:21 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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Nice to see Zumbo have a successful hunt with an AK.
Gotta chuckle that he just had to use something with brown furniture.

the stuff he said was so hateful and ill informed I still have my doubts.

If his screwup and repentance is enough to get the NYT to print a neutral piece on the subject, my doubts are pretty much satisfied. The New Testament has some comment about approving of those who get the right message out, even if their heart isn't entirely in it.

it is problematical, and that’s aside from the question of having exhaust gas blowing straight back into bolt carrier parts.

The AR design is quite suitable (albeit not ideal) for a broad range of applications involving 2-legged vermin. Maybe optimal for sub-50m combat, it will do very nicely to 300m in normal combat, 600m if needed, and 1000m with prep & tweaking. Most combat is at close range; at longer ranges, other tools are available.

As for the persistent "craps where it eats" criticism, the design does function nicely with reasonable care. This reflects a philosophy of Western military equipment: precision & performance, at the accepted cost of non-trivial maintenance & price . This in contrast to Eastern-bloc mentality: low/no-maintenance & reliable & cheap, at the accepted cost of reduced accuracy & lower performance.

Loosely speaking... The AR is for skilled/trained professionals who take meticulous care of their equipment. The AK is for, er, the less capable. Each is more suited to their intended audience, and the results show.

So he wrote his idiot article before researching the subject

Zumbo's outrage wasn't an article, it was a blog. Articles are (supposed to be) well-researched and crafted for wide distribution to paid readership. Blogs are someone just pontificating casually to an unpaying audience. There's a difference: it was his opinion, not necessarily researched.

The 6.8 will probably be the future of the black rifle.

Doubt it. While certainly a respectable round, and would make for a fine starting point, it doesn't provide a big enough improvement over .223 or .308 to overhaul the entire mainstream logistics. It's more of a compromise between the two where having an optimized version of each may ultimately be better.

If low-order gangsters were drawn to scoped hunting rifles,

The goals & related logistics are much different. Low-order gangsters want to identify the target fast, hit 'em fast, take stuff fast, and get away fast - that's best done up-close and in-person. Scoped rifles provide great accuracy and distance, but it's much harder to locate the right target, takes practice to make the long-range hit, distance to valuables makes robbing/looting implausible, and escape is complicated when the weapon is a meter or more long. If they had the personal discipline and intelligence (in both senses), they would be personally successful and a serious threat, but ... they don't.

116 posted on 06/04/2007 2:01:36 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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I’m very struck by how they were actually level-headed about the subject, using the term “black rifle” instead of their usually preferred demonization “semi-automatic assault weapon”. Even the “equal time” given to the grabbers made the grabbers look slightly off-keel. Far more news than propaganda.


122 posted on 06/04/2007 4:51:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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