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To: Orange1998; Zakeet
I wonder how they arrived here.

Probably legally like Tim McVeigh, or Muhammed Atta, the original WTC bombers, or that lily white CITIZEN Andrew Speaker with TB terrorizing the skies, or the ex-military DC Sniper, or the Cho sunhui kid at VaTech....or any number of totally LEGAL ways to get into this country.

If you're a petty criminal, you do stupid things like rob convenience stores--maximum risk, minimal payoff.

If you're a diabolical terrorist, capable of detonating suitcase nukes or destroying the WTC, you DO NOT risk being an undocumented flake. You merely get a legal tourist visa, fly into the country on American Airlines and check your suitcase nuke.

Let's spend all our money on a border fence and ignore the fact that super-badguys will always get in, and are already here legally anyway.

22 posted on 06/02/2007 8:41:21 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
"...are already here legally anyway."

And many have been elected to congress.

31 posted on 06/02/2007 8:46:33 AM PDT by RasterMaster (BUILD THE WALL, ENFORCE THE LAW! Duncan Hunter - President 2008)
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To: sam_paine
You merely get a legal tourist visa, fly into the country on American Airlines and check your suitcase nuke.

It's so much quicker and easier just to do it illegally and enjoy the fruits of citizenship until amnesty makes you a citizen in the next step though.

42 posted on 06/02/2007 9:03:10 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: sam_paine
Let's spend all our money on a border fence and ignore the fact that super-badguys will always get in, and are already here legally anyway.

All our money on a border fence? How many billions would it cost? I bet less than the $30 billion we are giving to fight AIDS in Africa or the $100 billion Iraq supplemental. Are you suggesting that we leave our borders the way they are, i.e., unsecured?

Three of the FT Dix six didn't get here legally. The Super bad guys like Atta overstayed their visas or disappeared. If we had a better system of tracking and deporting visa overstays, we wouldn't have these problems. This is also part of border security.

FBI's Mueller: Hezbollah Busted in Mexican Smuggling Operation

Illegals from terrorist nations are crossing the border into Arizona.

If you're a diabolical terrorist, capable of detonating suitcase nukes or destroying the WTC, you DO NOT risk being an undocumented flake. You merely get a legal tourist visa, fly into the country on American Airlines and check your suitcase nuke.

Nonsense. First of all, there is a security check on all visa applicants, i.e., the Lookout book. It is performed at all of our embssies and consulates abroad. The weakness is that we don't have better sharing of information among USG agencies. And some people can come here without visas. Aside from the weight and size of "suitcase nuke," checking it on an airlines would not be a simple or reliable way to get it here.

We need to improve the security of this country, whether it is border security, visa overstays, better intelligence, etc. It is not an either/or proposition. The idea that the super bad guys will always get in is defeatist nonsense.

65 posted on 06/02/2007 9:24:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sam_paine

“Let’s spend all our money on a border fence and ignore the fact that super-badguys will always get in, and are already here legally anyway.”

FALLACIES -

It won’t take ALL our money to build a fence.

It will keep out millions who sap public services and tax revenue.

It will keep out drug smugglers and narco gangs.

It will keep out many violent street criminals.

It will keep out future Dem voters.

It will keep out anchor baby laying mamasitas.

It will keep out TB and who knows what else.

It will keep out people who don’t respect our laws but demand a political voice.

It will keep out people who have no intention of assimilating.


98 posted on 06/02/2007 9:48:22 AM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Amnesty alone didn't kill the GOP - socialism did long ago. The stench you smell now is it's corpse.)
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To: sam_paine
So your rational for not building a fence on the border is that some Muslim might get in anyway on a plane?
Not building a fence and passing that Amnesty bill will turn America into a 3rd world socialist hell hole:
Amnesty bill will give Amnesty to 20 million illegals.
Those 20 million will be allowed to bring to U.S.A their extended family so that’s another 200 million illiterate,poor , Marxists who will turn the U.S.A into a Venezuela or Cuba.
The Amnesty bill will send the message to 6 billion poor 3rd world people that all they have to do is get here to the U.S. anyway they can and then Kennedy and McCain will give them Amnesty. How many billions of illiterate people you think the U.S. can take before there is a total bankruptcy and collapse of the economy and social programs? how many of these poor,illiterates are you willing to take into your house?

We can’t let billions of uneducated,poor people come to the U.S.A like that amnesty bill will allow to come here to take our land, jobs, resources, social security, Medicare, and ruin our country . We have laws. and people can’t just break them. I can’t move into your house can I? .If we have open borders then 2 billion 3rd world illiterate people will move to the U.S.A.there are 6 billion poor people in the world.

I don’t really care if poor 3rd worlders ruined their countries just like I don’t care if some bum lives on the street. they did it to themselves. I don’t have any obligation to take in that bum or to take in 200 million socialists into my country to ruin the last hope of freedom on earth. My only obligation is to myself and to survive.

125 posted on 06/02/2007 10:18:28 AM PDT by rurgan ("Government is not the solution to our problems.Government is the Problem" - President Reagan)
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To: sam_paine
“You merely get a legal tourist visa, fly into the country on American Airlines and check your suitcase nuke. “

Then proceed to overstay that visa in violation of the law. Just like the 9/11 hijackers.

“Let’s spend all our money on a border fence and ignore the fact that super-badguys will always get in, and are already here legally anyway.”

We can build a very nice fence for the $30 billion more the President is going to donate to kleptocrats in Africa.... We can fund plenty of “homeland security” for the $2 billion the WH still gives to Egypt each year.

180 posted on 06/02/2007 11:09:30 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
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To: sam_paine
Probably legally like Tim McVeigh, or Muhammed Atta, the original WTC bombers, or that lily white CITIZEN Andrew Speaker with TB terrorizing the skies, or the ex-military DC Sniper, or the Cho sunhui kid at VaTech....or any number of totally LEGAL ways to get into this country.

If you're a petty criminal, you do stupid things like rob convenience stores--maximum risk, minimal payoff.

If you're a diabolical terrorist, capable of detonating suitcase nukes or destroying the WTC, you DO NOT risk being an undocumented flake. You merely get a legal tourist visa, fly into the country on American Airlines and check your suitcase nuke.

Let's spend all our money on a border fence and ignore the fact that super-badguys will always get in, and are already here legally anyway.

Stop it...Stop making sense! - We are currently in a time period where it is only appropriate to think as foolishly as possible (like the Left) and go off the deep end regarding legal and illegal immigration issues. Any and all comments needs to be only about such (of course leaving out it is a 30 year in the making problem along with any and all other complexities regarding the issue).

238 posted on 06/02/2007 1:43:52 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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