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To: Cacique; darth; Valin
I have first hand knowledge about counterinsurgency in Indonesia and South/Central America..... we'll be fighting this "war" for about the next 20-30 years.

Our democratic and libs will wax and wane about the support of our country but in the end they'll have to face the facts that Danny Pearle and any other liberal did in the twin towers...the islamo-facists don't care if you like them, respect them, love them like brothers, pay them, whatever...they want you to die.

My "hypothetical" question to you is this.

What do you think the response will be to the first wave of mall suicide bombings, elementary/high school car bombs, industrial sabotage on large scale in our country?

If you're interested you should read some first hand accounts about anti-guerrilla warfare in otherwise "stable" societies.... Northern Ireland, Beirut, Northern Spain, Guatemala, Indonesia, El Salvador....

We are heading for very "complicated" times.

Do you all think it is possible for a "civil war" to occur in this country? I don't think so, but it all depends if our economy holds out and if we can unite rather than splinter when the sh#t hits the fan.

I kinda of hope to be around to see the democrats and libs look like the Neville chamberlain-like quislings that they are.

12 posted on 06/02/2007 11:46:51 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer

we’ll be fighting this “war” for about the next 20-30 years.

If by “this war” you mean the GWOT...the answer is yes, at least that long. When looking at this war, I like to look at it like it’s the Cold War and it’s 1951, we’ve only just begun, and in many ways we’re still getting our ducks in a row.

“Our democratic and libs will wax and wane about the support of our country but in the end they’ll have to face the facts that Danny Pearle and any other liberal did in the twin towers...the islamo-facists don’t care if you like them, respect them, love them like brothers, pay them, whatever...they want you to die.”

The radical loser (Long Read)
Der Spiegel ^ | 1/12/05 | Hans Magnus Enzensberger
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694568/posts

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The radical loser has not disappeared either. He is still among us. This is inevitable. On every continent, there are leaders who welcome him with open arms. Except that today, they are very rarely associated with the state. In this field too, privatization has made considerable advances. Although it is governments which have at their disposal the greatest potential for extermination, state crime in the conventional sense is now on the defensive worldwide.

To date, few loser-collectives have operated on a global scale, even if they were able to count on international flows of cash and weapon supplies. But the world is teeming with local groupings whose leaders are referred to as warlords or guerrilla chiefs. Their self-appointed militias and paramilitary gangs like to adorn themselves with the title of a liberation organization or other revolutionary attributes. In some media, they are referred to as rebels, a euphemism that probably flatters them. Shining Path, MLC, RCD, SPLA, ELA, LTTE, LRA, FNL, IRA, LIT, KACH, DHKP, FSLN, UVF, JKLF, ELN, FARC, PLF, GSPC, MILF, NPA, PKK, MODEL, JI, NPA, AUC, CPNML, UDA, GIA, RUF, LVF, SNM, ETA, NLA, PFLP, SPM, LET, ONLF, SSDF, PIJ, JEM, SLA, ANO, SPLMA, RAF, AUM, PGA, ADF, IBDA, ULFA, PLFM, ULFBV, ISYF, LURD, KLO, UPDS, NLFT, ATTF ...

“Left” or “Right”, it makes no odds. Each of these armed rabbles calls itself an army, boasts of brigades and commandos, self-importantly issuing bureaucratic communiqués and boastful claims of responsibility, acting as if they were the representatives of “the masses”. Being convinced, as radical losers, of the worthlessness of their own lives, they do not care about the lives of anyone else either; any concern for survival is foreign to them. And this applies equally to their opponents, to their own followers, and to those with no involvement whatsoever. They have a penchant for kidnapping and murdering people who are trying to relieve the misery of the region they are terrorizing, shooting aid workers and doctors and burning down every last hospital in the area with a bed or a scalpel – for they have trouble distinguishing between mutilation and self-mutilation.

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The movement’s list of favourite foes is also short on surprises: America, the decadent West, international capital, Zionism. The list is completed by the unbelievers, that is to say the remaining 5.2 billion people on the planet. Not forgetting apostate Muslims who may be found among the Shiites, Ibadhis, Alawites, Zaidites, Ahmadiyyas, Wahhabis, Druze, Sufis, Kharijites, Ishmaelites or other religious communities.

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Contrary to what the West appears to believe, the destructive energy of Islamist actions is directed mainly against Muslims. This is not a tactical error, not a case of “collateral damage”. In Algeria alone, Islamist terror has cost the lives of at least 50,000 fellow Algerians. Other sources speak of as many as 150,000 murders, although the military and the secret services were also involved. In Iraq and Afghanistan, too, the number of Muslim victims far outstrips the death toll among foreigners. Furthermore, terrorism has been highly detrimental not only to the image of Islam but also to the living conditions of Muslims around the world.

The Islamists are as unconcerned about this as the Nazis were about the downfall of Germany. As the avant-garde of death, they have no regard for the lives of their fellow believers. In the eyes of the Islamists, the fact that most Muslims have no desire to blow themselves and others sky high only goes to show that they deserve no better than to be liquidated themselves. After all, the aim of the radical loser is to make as many other people into losers as possible. As the Islamists see it, the fact that they are in the minority can only be because they are the chosen few.

Experts around the world are not the only ones wondering how the Islamist
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“We are heading for very “complicated” times”

When has it not been? :-)

“Do you all think it is possible for a “civil war” to occur in this country? I don’t think so,”

No I also don’t think so, (but I reserve my God given right to be wrong). I do however think there are folks (on both sides of the spectrum) who not only think it will happen but year for it to happen, would rejoice if it happened.


14 posted on 06/02/2007 12:16:56 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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