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Peggy Noonan and The WSJ Editorial - It's Time to Revolt!
Red State ^ | June 1, 2007

Posted on 06/01/2007 5:41:16 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

However, now I do not feel alone. Peggy Noonan has a new column up in the Wall Street Journal Opinion Journal. She has clearly said what has been getting me down. I think I knew what was up, but couldn't put a finger on it. I knew it centered around the immigration debate, and the way our congressional leaders are behaving. That sentiment especially includes Mr. Bush too, but when I read this column, I felt like Charlie Brown yelling at Lucy at her Psychology booth when he yells, "That's it!" when trying to identify why he can't get into the Christmas spirit.

Try this clip on for size :

The White House doesn't need its traditional supporters anymore, because its problems are way beyond being solved by the base. And the people in the administration don't even much like the base. Desperate straits have left them liberated, and they are acting out their disdain. Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."

The president has taken to suggesting that opponents of his immigration bill are unpatriotic--they "don't want to do what's right for America." His ally Sen. Lindsey Graham has said,

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bbs; bds; crimaliens; deathofthegop; holierthanthou; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; invasion; noamnestyforillegals; noonan; peggyisrighton; zerovisa
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To: AuntB

Yes, I was thinking of the the Californian. I didn’t realize you were talking about the Sec. I don’t know about the illegals in her house, so I don’t want to speak.


941 posted on 06/04/2007 6:22:21 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice
I won’t cease my support for the party, but work harder to steer it. If someone, including the President were to call me unpatriotic, then so be it, for I know the truth and that is far from being the case. It would mean that he had made an unfortunate statement with which I strongly disagree, but it is one issue. I don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I commend your statement 100%.

Nut the party in WA state has been for so long, and with our demographics, in the hands of liberals, I despair.

We have really good folks involved and I work on their campaigns, but between the absolute non-involvement of the vast majority of local FReepers on local/regional/state campaigns, I'm not sure why I bother. They could make a major difference but their non-involvement shifts little (if anything), and for all my remarks on the state board, nobody does a thing.

Maybe it's time for me to retire to Bermuda or someplace else and let the rest of this state's FR Republicans live with what they got. Enough of them get quite p****y the instant you mention "campaign volunteers." But not a one of them wants to do a thing.

942 posted on 06/04/2007 6:26:19 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: AuntB

“Okay, we got your hint that you don’t think Hunter is ‘honest’. Then you say you like him. Please, we’re tired of dishonest politicians, maybe you aren’t. So, tell us what ‘dishonesty’ is it we should know about Hunter?”

Well, obviously you didn’t get anything. I most certainly did not say Duncan wasn’t honest. Far from it. Let me reinerate. I would have backed him if he had a chance. I even said he’d make a good VP. You should re-read my post.

I don’t like dishonesty any more than you do. Perhaps you got me mixed up with someone else.


943 posted on 06/04/2007 6:26:43 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice
I have found out why Fred Thompson is so popular with the press and those in powerful places. He is member of the Council on Foreign Relations(CFR). They are the real movers and shakers in today's political world. They are internationalists who wish to create things like the WTO, The World Court, IMF, etc. Their agenda is in-line with ignoring the borders and creating the North American Union with Mexico, Canada and the former USA.

Last night I watched those ridiculous democrats try to kiss up to Hillary and then Kucinich made the mistake of mentioning NAFTA. He might as well have fallen off the stage. There was no follow up on his statement because no one wants to talk about it.

NAFTA was passed just before the 94 republican congress took office because they knew it wouldn't pass once the new congress came in. Likewise no one wants to talk about the NAU being created while we are looking the other way. The Birch Society managed to stop CAFTA last year and no one heard about it in the "news." But if that had gone into effect it would have expanded NAFTA into South America.

944 posted on 06/04/2007 6:31:19 PM PDT by RichardMoore (gohunter08.com)
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To: oneamericanvoice

Nobody agrees with you.


945 posted on 06/04/2007 7:09:59 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: Palladin
Remember the Alamo. Texas is ready.
946 posted on 06/04/2007 7:34:37 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: AuntB; oneamericanvoice
That's right.

Loretta Sanchez was the woman who beat "B-1" Bob Dornan in California.

Linda Chavez was selected by President Bush to be Secretary of Labor, but she withdrew when it was discovered that she befriended a woman, housed her for a while, and helped her out financially, and how turned out to be an illegal.

The truly coincidental thing about this is...

Bush nominated Elaine Chao to replace Chavez. Chao is one of the few Cabinet members to continue from the first term, and...

Elaine Chao is married to Senator Mitch McConnell. The MSM is now positioning (pressuring) McConnell as the key Senator in getting the GOP to side with Democrats to rush the immigration bill through the Senate.

-PJ

947 posted on 06/04/2007 7:42:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Yes, and as I said in a post that jveritas had deleted, one has to wonder about the authenticity of his interpretations given his lack of credibility in the immigration debates specifically on this thread.
948 posted on 06/04/2007 8:03:39 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Political Junkie Too
Elaine Chao is married to Senator Mitch McConnell. The MSM is now positioning (pressuring) McConnell as the key Senator in getting the GOP to side with Democrats to rush the immigration bill through the Senate.

Yes, and she's been talking up 'it's not amnesty' right along with the rest of them.

949 posted on 06/04/2007 8:10:31 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Iwo Jima; jveritas
Honestly, I don't question the interpretation of the documents. Having read all his threads on the subject, I see the continuity in patterns of speech, deference to authority, and structure of memos that suggest that the interpretations are honest and consistent. Plus, I read many of the related expert assessments that were picked up from lurkers on FR.

Let me ask it of you this way: Given President Bush's stance on the illegal immigration issue, are you now questioning his decision to go into Iraq? Isn't that question the same thing as questioning the validity of the interpretations based on jv's position on immigration?

And one final point for all: I've posted on a lot of hot threads, including 2nd amendment threads. If I took an alternative position on 2nd amendment individual vs. collective rights, would that have invalidated everything I might have ever posted on, say, federal elections? Let's not start character assassination over single-issue disputes.

-PJ

950 posted on 06/04/2007 8:28:55 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thank you very much again PJ, I hope we have more of you on FR during this time in particular.


951 posted on 06/04/2007 8:43:12 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I do. He is so obviously agenda-driven on this thread that I would not trust his interpretation of important documents. An interpretor needs to have the ability to be neutral and honest is his interpretations, a quality which has been proven lacking here.

I just hope that no one actually credited the interpretations of such a biased person with any authenticity, or else our troops could have been subject to great risk.
952 posted on 06/04/2007 8:47:43 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: rom

“If anyone broke the 11th Commandment it was this administration.”

That was an outstanding point.


953 posted on 06/04/2007 8:56:05 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Iwo Jima
President Bush is obviously agenda-driven on immigration, too. Do you now question his decision to invade Iraq?

-PJ

954 posted on 06/04/2007 9:11:10 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes.


955 posted on 06/04/2007 9:18:21 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: jveritas
The law requires that you have a safe workplace, that you have workman comp insurance, that you pay the minimum wage, that you observe discrimination laws, that you pay unemployment insurance, that you provide FMLA for workers if you have more than 50workers. All of this is expensive and most if not all of it can be avoided if you employ illegals.

When you legalize all of these folks all you will be doing is creating a market for another batch of cheaper workers. All of a sudden those workers who had been doing those jobs that Americans won't do will be transformed into Americans who won't do the jobs that Illegals do.

If you think that Tyson foods, Mohawk and the rest of the big names in the illegals hiring department are going to stop then you are smoking the good stuff and need to pass it around.

956 posted on 06/04/2007 9:38:07 PM PDT by PierreLegrand
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To: Political Junkie Too
President Bush is obviously agenda-driven on immigration, too. Do you now question his decision to invade Iraq?

No I question his execution of the decision. Invading Iraq should have occured at the same time that Afghanistan was attacked. But we couldnt do it because President Bush had not mobilized the country to war. Instead he spent his time dining with muslims and telling us that Islam was the religion of peace...the man has absolutely no sense of history. Instead of mobilizing this country Military Spending was kept near the lowest levels of the Clinton Years. Instead of mobilizing this country he signed idiotic bills that had nothing to do with this existential battle we find ourselves in.

No attacking Saddam was EXACTLY the right strategy. Bush should not have asked for permission from the UN. He should not have sought allies in the fight...except for those willing to join us at a moments notice. We should have fallen on those bastards like the fist of god...instead we went in apologizing for your boldness in avenging the deaths of our countrymen.

957 posted on 06/04/2007 9:43:09 PM PDT by PierreLegrand
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To: Regulator
Refresh my memory. How many Mexicans have carried out homicide bombings.
958 posted on 06/05/2007 4:23:30 AM PDT by B. Chezwick (It is every true Christian's duty to defend Israel with their very life.)
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To: PierreLegrand

Thanks for the info. You know it is so businesses who hire cheap labor illegal immigrants that are demanding them to be legalized and pushing for the illegal immigraiton bill. I think they did their calculations and they found out that they will still make profit even when they legalize them.


959 posted on 06/05/2007 5:16:39 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Sorry but why would they hire legals when the flow of illegals will not be halted? Benevolence? No what will happen is that the current batch of illegals will be upon being legalized transfered from the group of people doing the work Americans won't do to the group of people unwilling (actually unable because of laws) to do the work that illegals can do because of their illegallity and the fact that many busineses will take advantage of the lack of law enforcement.

What this sort of law breaking does to the fabric of this country is another story indeed. In fact in one way it points directly towards why the Bush administration cannot Iraq under control. They do not understand the connections between morality and the law.

960 posted on 06/05/2007 5:48:42 AM PDT by PierreLegrand
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