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What Mexico Wants (Surgeon General Warning: May Cause Vomiting)
The New York Times ^ | June 1, 2007 | Jorge G. Castaneda

Posted on 06/01/2007 10:31:41 AM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

Mexico City

NO nation is as involved in United States immigration as Mexico, and no government’s cooperation will be as necessary as Mexico’s if immigration reform is to succeed.

Fortunately, most of the reform proposals represent a very good deal for Mexico, however questionable they might appear to the Latino community in the United States. The current Senate package greatly resembles what President Vicente Fox and I proposed back in 2001, in meetings with President Bush and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

First, the Senate plan would legalize almost all of the roughly six million Mexicans in the United States today without papers. This will allow them to get better wages and working conditions, to become eligible for mortgages and driver’s licenses, to travel back home and to have an immensely better everyday life.

Yes, the road to citizenship is a long one — up to 13 years — but that is essentially an American issue. We Mexicans cannot encourage or discourage our fellow countrymen from seeking naturalization.

Second, the bill provides for a guest worker program that will include several hundred thousand Mexicans: exactly what we always wanted. The requirement that they return home for a year after working across the border for two, while cumbersome and perhaps unenforceable, would actually help Mexico. It would ensure the continued flow of money back to workers’ families here; and the returning workers would bring the skills they acquire in the United States to demonstrate to others and use to start businesses here.

And as for complaints that these guest workers could not take their families with them, the roughly 75,000 Mexicans who legally emigrate to the north every year can’t do so either.

There are three Mexican objections to the bill as it stands.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimaliens; identitytheft; idtheft; illegalimmigrants; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invaders; mexico; pom
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As I recall, Castañeda put it this way to U.S. Hispanic activists: “You know the age-old saying about how to eat an elephant. You do it a bite at a time.” Yummy. Thanks, gringos.


41 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:30 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Old Professer; All

I am the first one to laugh at conspiracy theories and the whackos who come up with them. So if anyone here thinks what I’m about to say is nothing but a nutty conspiracy theory please feel free to slap me around and tell me so for my own good, but.....

I am really starting to think that our government deliberately doesn’t secure the border or enforce immigration laws. The Big Business WSJ Republicans (and I’m in their camp most of the time) want the cheap labor.

The Republican Congress passed the fence bill in October of 2006 so they can go back to their constituents and say that we were tough on illegal immigration before the election. Then turned around and didn’t supply the funds to build the entire thing.


42 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:56 AM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

You are right Jorge, this is a BAD law.
Let’s just pattern our immigration laws on Mexico’s and we will be much better off!
Seriously! They are RUTHLESS.
They stop people at the border, no excuses.
They track people with visas and make them leave on time.
AND they instantly deport any visitors who try to meddle in their political affairs.
I can think of a million or two ‘protestors’ I would like to subject to that kind of treatment.


43 posted on 06/01/2007 11:47:34 AM PDT by Shazolene
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Mine the border.

Make parts of it look like the Berlin Wall.


44 posted on 06/01/2007 12:01:03 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; All

Jorge G. Castaneda is a recycled leftist-communist who saw the light, or not, when Fox was elected, quickly recreated himself and hooked himself to Fox’s wagon. He is the author of a book glorifying Che Guevarra. Back in the late 70s, early 80s, he was one of the PRI-Mexican communists who was baying at the moon about any attempt to introduce free market reforms in Mexico’s economy. He is one of the Mexican elites who preached socialism to Mexicans for 20 years, so now they are here demanding what he and his party promised but couldn’t deliver years ago. His goal in life has been to set up a welfare state, but Mexico has never had the resources. So he is encouraging Mexicans to come here, thinking we do have the resources and will be dumb enough to turn them over to the likes of him. His close ally in this campaign is Senator Kennedy. He has all the credibility of Hugo Chavez, without the charisma.


45 posted on 06/01/2007 12:06:06 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Jorge G. Castaneda (D-Mexico City)

Let me fix that....

Jorge G. Castanada (D-or-R Mexico City)

FMCDH(BITS)

46 posted on 06/01/2007 1:09:22 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
The current Senate package greatly resembles what President Vicente Fox and I proposed back in 2001, in meetings with President Bush and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

WTH? Proposing what they want from ourcountry?! Boy, do I ever feel stupid thinking my vote counted, here are four people, trading away MY(family) country and MY future like baseball cards. I spit on the four of them, and everyone else who is selling out America.

47 posted on 06/01/2007 1:18:40 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Apparently the NY Times does.

LOL That's true. They 'care' about all things liberal.

48 posted on 06/01/2007 2:03:14 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Jorge is honest where Bush and many congressmen arent. He openly states that this guest worker program is for Mexicans only (maybe a few other latin americans thrown in). This is not “immigration reform”. It is a immigration increase and a form of integration with mexico that excludes anyone from outside of the americas. It is unprecedented and radical.
49 posted on 06/01/2007 2:43:17 PM PDT by mthom
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To: Eric Blair 2084; stephenjohnbanker; raybbr; TommyDale; indylindy; calcowgirl
Jorge G. Castaneda,Mexico’s foreign minister from 2000 to 2003 writes........"the Senate plan would legalize almost all of the roughly six million Mexicans in the United States today without papers. This will allow them to get better wages and working conditions, to become eligible for mortgages and driver’s licenses, to travel back home and to have an immensely better everyday life.........."

........."they" get better wages and working conditions, to become eligible for mortgages and driver’s licenses, to travel back home and to have an immensely better everyday life.......... and you sucker Americans will pay for all of it(there fixed it)

50 posted on 06/01/2007 2:55:22 PM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"Fortunately, most of the reform proposals represent a very good deal for Mexico, however questionable they might appear to the Latino community in the United States. The current Senate package greatly resembles what President Vicente Fox and I proposed back in 2001, in meetings with President Bush and former Secretary of State Colin Powell."

Money quote; nothing has changed, it's just a tad later than expected.

51 posted on 06/01/2007 3:22:16 PM PDT by norton
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I am really starting to think that our government deliberately doesn’t secure the border or enforce immigration laws. The Big Business WSJ Republicans (and I’m in their camp most of the time) want the cheap labor.

Beginning? Eric, where you been?

Regards.

52 posted on 06/01/2007 3:51:46 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Unbelievable. We allow their government to write policy for America. We allow La Raza and MEChA activists direct access lines right to Congress.

It looks to me like the traitors in our government work for Mexico these days. They ALL need to be tried for TREASON, and punished according to their crimes! Starting with elPresidente Jorge Boosh and then right on down the line.

53 posted on 06/01/2007 4:31:01 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Jorge G. Castañeda, Mexico’s foreign minister from 2000 to 2003 weighs in. Why not just make him a US Congressman while we're at it.

Why not make him president?

54 posted on 06/01/2007 4:34:52 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Eric Blair 2084

They need to add to the bill, if an illegal wants an American citizen’s house, the owner has 24 hrs to vacate the premises.


55 posted on 06/01/2007 6:36:10 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
What Mexico Wants

Who the hell cares? I know Americans would like Mexicans to shut the hell up, since they have no real say in this matter. Better yet, how about making that country less of a third world dump so its citizens don't feel the need to break our laws.

56 posted on 06/01/2007 8:34:29 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (We need a third party to return to a two-party system.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"First, the Senate plan would legalize almost all of the roughly six million Mexicans in the United States today without papers."

Never good when you start out with a humongous bald-faced lie.

57 posted on 06/01/2007 10:14:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Before the Supreme Court ruled to force us to pay to educate illegals, and Reagan’s amnesty fiasco, Mexican men would come work for three to five years and go home. They’d produce a few children with the local sluts but their wives and four to ten kids would be left back home. Now, the whole family comes, refuses to leave and to add insult to injury the Mexican government tells us how to treat the people it doesn’t want.
58 posted on 06/02/2007 1:56:51 AM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: 3AngelaD

Thanks for the background on the stooge, Jorge Castaneda.
It certainly helps, never would we get this from the Slime Times, I curse the NY Times daily....


59 posted on 06/03/2007 10:50:13 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: 3AngelaD

Thanks for the background on the stooge, Jorge Castaneda.
It certainly helps, never would we get this from the Slime Times, I curse the NY Times daily....


60 posted on 06/03/2007 10:50:16 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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