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ACLU fights to expose public to deadly diseases
Stop The ACLU ^ | May 31 2007 | Glib Fortuna

Posted on 05/31/2007 11:33:44 AM PDT by Jay777


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To: pabianice

The U.S should provide shelter for all ACLU types at GITMO.


41 posted on 05/31/2007 1:38:29 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Ace of Spades
You’re missing the point.

So are you. The government doesn't put people in jail just for having TB. Obviously, this guy was jailed because he wouldn't stay away from the public so as to avoid infecting others.

If you want to take responsibility for him off the hands of the government, feel free to make that offer. But he can't be trusted on his own to not expose others to his disease.

42 posted on 05/31/2007 1:41:51 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Rodney King
Where is that stated?

They don't incarcerate people just for having TB. They do so because they won't do the right thing and stay away from the public so as not to infect others.

Again, you are free to offer to take him in and be responsible for him.

43 posted on 05/31/2007 1:43:09 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Rodney King
How does that even address the point?

The point is he is in jail because he wouldn't stay away from the public. If you want to take on the responsibility of keeping him away from the public, be my guest. Otherwise, stop whining.

44 posted on 05/31/2007 1:44:05 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
They don't incarcerate people just for having TB.

And they don't arrest innocent people, either.

45 posted on 05/31/2007 1:45:34 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Help!
Bingo...

Reckless disregard for the public including any friends and relatives.

46 posted on 05/31/2007 1:46:12 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Don’t worry Hippie, we’ll defend you too. Now fetch my cafe mocha will you…)
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To: Jay777
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47 posted on 05/31/2007 1:46:34 PM PDT by rbosque (L)
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To: MEGoody; Ace of Spades
The government doesn't put people in jail just for having TB. Obviously, this guy was jailed because he wouldn't stay away from the public so as to avoid infecting others.

The government doesn't put innocent people in jail. Obviously, if someone is jailed, it's because he was committing a crime.

48 posted on 05/31/2007 1:58:21 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
The government doesn't put innocent people in jail.

As already stated the guy isn't innocent.

And I notice YOU aren't willing to take responsibility for keeping him from exposing others, so stop whining.

49 posted on 05/31/2007 2:01:30 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Jay777

A pox on the ACLU!


50 posted on 05/31/2007 2:04:29 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: MEGoody
As already stated the guy isn't innocent.

I haven't yet seen it stated that the guy is "guilty" of running out and exposing himself to others.. that is the point. You keep saying that he must be doing that or else they wouldn't have bothered detaining him.

And I notice YOU aren't willing to take responsibility for keeping him from exposing others, so stop whining.

That is such a stupid argument, its not worthy of response.

51 posted on 05/31/2007 2:06:19 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
County health authorities obtained a court order to lock him up as a danger to the public because he failed to take precautions to avoid infecting others. Specifically, he said he did not heed doctors’ instructions to wear a mask in public.....

Perhaps naively, I assume county health officials had some evidence to produce to the court. The man was not summarily locked up by doctors without due process, and is due for another court hearing next month.

This sounds to me like a good balance between protecting the public and respecting the man's Constitutional rights.

52 posted on 05/31/2007 2:11:34 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna

Well that’s fine... that info wasn’t in the original article posted, and there seems to be an attitude here that “they wouldn’t have locked him up if he wasn’t guilty”. Which is not a solid basis for running a free society.


53 posted on 05/31/2007 2:14:28 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Dianna

PHOENIX A judge has refused to change the quarantine conditions for a T-B patient who’s been locked up in a hospital jail ward in Phoenix for nine months...Daniels had to listen to the court proceedings yesterday by telephone because he has an extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis which he contracted while living in Russia. And a judge refused to allow him to testify after health officials accused him of being dishonest and an irresponsible health threat. Daniels was sent to the hospital jail ward in August. Health officials declared him a public health threat because he refused to abide by medical rules while living at a sanitarium...

He was diagnosed two years ago in Russia, and said he came to Phoenix in January 2006 after being told drugs were hard to get and expensive.

Daniels went to a Phoenix hospital with respiratory problems in July 2006, and was sent to a Phoenix halfway house for indigent TB patients under a voluntary quarantine. He was ordered to continue treatment and wear a mask when he went out in public because the disease is spread by airborne contact.
Daniels stopped taking his medication and went unmasked to a restaurant, a convenience market and other stores, court records stated.

Robert England, Maricopa County’s tuberculosis control officer, said in court filings that Daniels understands the rules, but “merely refuses to follow them.”
England applied for and received a “compulsory detention” order for Daniels, a legal tool used about once a year in Arizona.

Daniels, who has a wife and child in Russia, said in a telephone interview with The Arizona Republic that he didn’t want to confuse people by wearing a mask

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported there were 14,097 cases of TB in the United States last year. Just 15 were of the rare strain Daniels has. Prospects for his release are unclear.
A 2006 medical assessment indicated the disease was mutating in Daniels.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/43554.php


54 posted on 05/31/2007 2:21:19 PM PDT by Help!
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To: Jay777

bump


55 posted on 05/31/2007 2:24:48 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Rodney King
Well that’s fine... that info wasn’t in the original article posted, and there seems to be an attitude here that “they wouldn’t have locked him up if he wasn’t guilty”. Which is not a solid basis for running a free society.

Journalism is so poor these days it is difficult to have a rational discussion about anything. The basic facts about anything rarely seem to be included, so we're left to assume certain things.

56 posted on 05/31/2007 2:26:40 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Rodney King

Robert Daniels, a 27-year-old dual Russian-U.S. citizen, underwent months of treatment for TB in Russia, where he often led a homeless existence. After telling people he was feeling better, he flew from Moscow to New York on Jan. 14 last year, then on to Phoenix.

In fact, his disease had not disappeared. The microbe causing it had mutated, apparently helped by his failure to complete a drug regimen in Russia. Weeks after arriving in Phoenix, Daniels was again coughing, feeling weak and losing weight.

Doctors in Phoenix diagnosed his illness as the new resistant strain of TB. Daniels again failed to follow doctors’ orders, authorities say. So health officials got a court order, and he was locked up in the prison wing of a Phoenix hospital.

He has remained there, in hermetically sealed isolation, for nine months.

Two events last year alerted the medical community to a frightening new version of the disease. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, drawing on a survey of TB labs on six continents, reported that the prevalence of the super strain of TB increased from 3 percent of patients to 11 percent between 2000 and 2004. It reached 15 percent in South Korea and 19 percent in Latvia.

There are no statistics yet about the new strain in Russia, China or Africa, areas with major TB populations.

In the United States, 13,767 TB cases were recorded in 2006, the lowest rate of infection since reporting began in 1953. A retrospective analysis by the CDC found 49 cases of the new strain in the country since 1993.

The CDC survey was followed by a report from Yale University researchers that the superbug had raged through a rural hospital in South Africa in 2005 and early 2006, killing 52 of 53 who contracted it, including six health-care workers. The victims, apparently infected by airborne transmission of the virus, died on average just 16 days after diagnosis; most of them also had HIV.

“We have to come to grips with this quickly,” said Vladislav Yerokhin, director of the Central Tuberculosis Research Institute in Moscow. “This is not just a threat for TB patients. This is a serious threat for the general population.”


57 posted on 05/31/2007 2:35:53 PM PDT by Help!
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To: Help!

Thanks. Given all that, I have no problem with what happened.


58 posted on 05/31/2007 2:41:31 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Jay777
The suit seeks what it calls appropriate accommodations for Daniels, rather than severe and “inhumane” jail conditions.

We need to build a TB colony preferably in American held sections of Antarctica. It's not permanent colonization to puting people dying down there with a good Cesium-131 RTG battery for heat, food, plenty of dope and booze and a one way ticket.

59 posted on 05/31/2007 2:50:50 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Are they going to defend one of their own against the charges of having BABY sex films???????


60 posted on 05/31/2007 3:44:36 PM PDT by chiefqc
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