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Beggar wins free speech case
fortwayne.com ^ | 05/31/07 | AP

Posted on 05/31/2007 10:37:22 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. - A homeless man who was arrested after asking a policeman for a dollar got a judge to throw out the case by arguing that begging is a form of free speech.

Judge Gail Rice made the ruling after Eric Hoffstead had his lawyer cite a 15-year-old federal court decision saying New York state's loitering law violated First Amendment protections.

"This is a great victory for freedom of speech," said Hoffstead's lawyer, Carl Birman.

Hoffstead was still in the county jail Thursday on a separate trespassing charge.

The ruling Wednesday nullified a loitering charge and a misdemeanor drug charge. Police said they found a crack cocaine pipe on Hoffstead, 36, when he was arrested last November.

The 1992 case applied specifically to enforcement in New York City, and the state law, which prohibits begging in a public place, had never been changed. But when Hoffstead, who has been arrested 20 times in Westchester County, read about the case, he asked Birman to bring it up in court.

Rice's ruling echoed the 1992 decision.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beggar; freespeech
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1 posted on 05/31/2007 10:37:23 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

So is pointing a gun at someone and saying “give me all your money”. Oh, well, I guess we’ll just have to give up on all these ‘law’ thingies and just deal with it... /s


2 posted on 05/31/2007 10:38:44 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Fred Thompson. AKA: POTUS 44)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The beggar had a lawyer.


3 posted on 05/31/2007 10:38:53 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: TornadoAlley3

Judge: So, how do you plead?

Beggar: C’mon, Mister - I know you can spare a dollar - c’mon, buddy - you’ll never even miss it - c’mon, help a brutha out...


4 posted on 05/31/2007 10:45:19 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Don't mistake timid driving for defensive driving.)
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To: EveningStar

ping. “Spare change?”


5 posted on 05/31/2007 10:49:59 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Accosting people on the street and begging for money? Protected.

Wearing t-shirts with Bible verses in public school? Forbidden.

6 posted on 05/31/2007 10:50:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
But when Hoffstead, who has been arrested 20 times in Westchester County, read about the case, he asked Birman to bring it up in court.

It wasn't the lawyer who thought of it, it was the beggar. Probably doing some research in the prison library.

What are the odds that this is a hippie beggar, who simply doesn't want to work?

7 posted on 05/31/2007 10:53:01 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Rice's ruling echoed the 1992 decision.

This is Stare decisis in action.

8 posted on 05/31/2007 10:54:05 AM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
I guess we’ll just have to give up on all these ‘law’ thingies and just deal with it

The First Ammendment is also a law. You can't respect law by picking and choosing which laws you deign to respect.

Laws have consequences--many of them unintended (as in this case.) That's why laws should be carefully considered, and passed/changed only very infrequently, after much deliberation and consideration. Even more so at the level of the Constitution.

9 posted on 05/31/2007 10:54:23 AM PDT by sourcery (Democrat: n. 1. Quiche-eating surrender donkey.)
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To: kinoxi

That’s a really cool part about America.


10 posted on 05/31/2007 10:55:06 AM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: Cicero
It wasn't the lawyer who thought of it, it was the beggar.

So, beggars can't be choosers--but they can be lawyers!

11 posted on 05/31/2007 10:55:43 AM PDT by sourcery (Democrat: n. 1. Quiche-eating surrender donkey.)
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To: krb

Yes it is.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 10:56:27 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
The beggar had a lawyer.

What a country. Maybe the beggar is a lawyer, too.

Cordially,

13 posted on 05/31/2007 11:00:13 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
Dude, $400 haircuts don't grow on trees man, can you spare a bill?

;)
14 posted on 05/31/2007 11:03:15 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
LOL!:^)

Cordially,

15 posted on 05/31/2007 11:04:29 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: krb
This is Stare decisis in action.

I guess it's a good thing judges take an oath to uphold stare decisis when sworn in. </sarcasm>

16 posted on 05/31/2007 11:08:22 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: TornadoAlley3

So, what if every single person the judge ever meets or passes now asks him for money? Then he might realize the purpose of the ordinance.

Or can we go to his house and ring his doorbell at any time of day and ask for money? Is that legal?


17 posted on 05/31/2007 11:10:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

Brilliant. *applause*


18 posted on 05/31/2007 11:11:40 AM PDT by Famishus (North of the equator, the Death Spiral is clockwise.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Sitting on his car in the morning would most likely yield immediate results.
:)
19 posted on 05/31/2007 11:18:42 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Famishus

THANK YEW - I’ll be here all week - try the veal - don’t fergit to tip yer waitress, and then help her back up...


20 posted on 05/31/2007 11:25:21 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Don't mistake timid driving for defensive driving.)
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