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To: Allegra

Before anyone condemns Islam for this, think of Galileo and Jacques DeMolay. Both were charged with heresy and blasphemy. DeMolay was burned at the stake.


8 posted on 05/31/2007 8:39:21 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Cruel is a matter of perspective." Cap'n Jack Sparrow)
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To: CholeraJoe

DeMolay was burnt at the behest of the King of France, Philip the Fair, who wanted to confiscate his money and that of the Templars.

Sorry - I don’t see the connection between a 15th Century act of judicial murder for monetary gain dressed up under colour of religion, and the present day persecution of people in Islamic countries.


14 posted on 05/31/2007 8:48:16 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: CholeraJoe

The difference being that these trials took place 400 to 700 years ago. Christians, while having a remarkably bloody and violent history, have evolved beyond this.

It is pretty nearly unanimously agreed by historians that DeMolay and the other Templars were condemned for political and financial reasons, with the blasphemy charges serving as a convenient pretext.


16 posted on 05/31/2007 8:51:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: CholeraJoe
Before anyone condemns Islam for this, think of Galileo and Jacques DeMolay. Both were charged with heresy and blasphemy. DeMolay was burned at the stake.

600 years ago,

which is where Islam still is.

19 posted on 05/31/2007 8:55:19 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: CholeraJoe
"Before anyone condemns Islam for this, think of Galileo and Jacques DeMolay. Both were charged with heresy and blasphemy. DeMolay was burned at the stake."

In case you missed it, Christianity went through a major reformation a few centuries ago. Islam never has and never will reform, unless it 'reforms' to new yet-to-be-imagined extremes.

30 posted on 05/31/2007 9:04:13 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: CholeraJoe
Re: 8

Before anyone condemns Islam for this, think of Galileo and Jacques DeMolay. Both were charged with heresy and blasphemy. DeMolay was burned at the stake.

So are you implying Christianity and islam are the same?

It is not difficult to thumb through a couple millennia of history and find many examples where alleged Christians did bad things.
Yes, man is a sinner in desperate need of a new heart, and new birth, and a Saviour.
That is the essence of the Gospel message ('Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved').
The fact that man acts badly is man's nature, and does not mean these actions are condoned by the Bible.

Galileo was not condemned by the Bible, and in fact was on fairly good terms with the 'pope'. The 'scientists' of the day didn't like Galileo mucking around with their Ptolemaic models, so they put pressure on the Vatican to punish Galileo -- which eventually led to his house arrest where he was confined to his villa.

The problem is that the koran codifies punishments for the 'infidels' - and this death sentence is consistent with the islamic (un)holy book.

32 posted on 05/31/2007 9:10:50 AM PDT by El Cid (Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon HIM while HE is near)
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To: CholeraJoe
Christianity has developed beyond what it was in the 15th Century.
Islam hasn't yet made it to the 15th Century.
34 posted on 05/31/2007 9:14:57 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: CholeraJoe

Saint Joan of Arc was burned at the stake, too — her feast day was yesterday. But now we’re living in the twenty-first century, and the followers of Islam are still stuck in the ninth century with no plans to move forward mentally. And yes, I do blame Islam.


57 posted on 05/31/2007 1:50:05 PM PDT by hershey
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