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To: Westbrook
In your own words - science is something to investigate what we can Observe and Measure. And if I may add, to falsify or verify itself by predictions it makes.

What about ID? The main thesis of ID is a designer, that nobody can verify or falsify. It is neither observable nor measurable. There is no experiment that could be devised to test whether the main tenet is correct or not. More importantly, it does not make predictions that could either verify or falsify itself. That by its very definition is NOT science. (Do take a look at your 6th grade science book at the definition of science. Anything that cannot be tested, although it may be a pursuit of knowledge, belongs not in science but philosophy). I'm not debating its merit. I'm simply saying that by its very definition, it is a different animal than science. And to try to pass it for science is sheer folly - if not madness.

Again I would have to repeat myself. I'm not debating whether or not ID is correct. It could very well be the truth. But by its very definition, it does not belong in the realm of science. Science is materialistic, not because it is anti-God, but it is the very definition of it. Anything that is not testable, i.e. materialistic, is outside of science, no matter how correct or beautiful.

As for the silly ideas, let's touch one of them, shall we? I'm no biologist, so forgive me as I blunder along. Punctuated equilibrium is the idea that sometimes evolution exists in a rapid pace as opposed to gradualism of mutation. Let's see how it fits the scientific method. Data - two independent paleontological studies (on pulmonate gastropods and on Phacopsid trilobites) that suggest rapid evolution. Hypothesis - punctuated equilibrium. Species do evolve rapidly in bursts. Predictions - if the hypothesis is correct, we'd have in our fossil records short bursts of mutation in an otherwise stable species. Test - well..collect those records.

So...what's so silly about that? If the fossil records don't show it, it'd be thrown away. If it does, then we are more confident that we are on the right track. You keep claiming it is nonsensical and fraudulent. Do tell me - what is so nonsensical and fraudulent about this particular idea? Even if it really is nonsensical, since it is testable, it fits very well with scientific principles and thus in science classes.

So yeah...until ID can pass muster with the scientific method, keep it away from science classes. And before you go off on a rant again on how it's all a vast materialistic, godless conspiracy, answer this question first. Can we really test ID so at the end of the day we can say, yes ID is correct or not it's not?

What is amazing to me is that you claim you think critically while you hang on to an idea that is not testable and yet keep claiming evolutionary theory, which is tested day by day by the stream of independent studies for 150 years, to be nonsensical. You see a problem here?

50 posted on 06/02/2007 1:52:40 AM PDT by jc101
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To: jc101
Your interpretation of the fossil record is filtered through your materialistic world view. Please consider a visit to http://www.icr.org to see technical documentation written by PhD scientists that interpret the data differently.

Don't go off half-cocked ridiculing the creationist conclusions, but examine the technical explanations that counter the prevailing Evolutionist point of view.

Whether you agree with their conclusions or not, you cannot disagree with their scientific methods that call into question the prevailing Evolutionist interpretation of ALL data scientific.

At that web site, resources can be acquired that explain other phenomena outside of the Evolutionary interpretation.

> Anything that cannot be tested, although it may be a
> pursuit of knowledge, belongs not in science but
> philosophy

Exactly.

But I submit that, even as minerals-to-man Creation cannot be tested or proven, neither can minerals-to-man Evolution.

Nobody was there to see it happen.

Intelligently applied experiments cannot be used to "prove" that "no intelligence was necessary" to drive a process. This is a tautology.

Consider the possibility that someday man will create a completely new life form using completely new genetic information, rather than plagiarizing from the information already extant.

If such a feat were ever accomplished, imagine this announcement to the world.


51 posted on 06/02/2007 3:40:32 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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