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To: Westbrook
It is illogical, tautological, and even SILLY, to devise experiements applying a great deal intelligence and planning in order to prove that no intelligence is necessary to achieve the results of the experiment.

Ehm...you may be a great software engineer, but do you know how science works? Contrary to what you might believe, we don't sit around drinking coffee and thinking how best to undermine religion this day. We sit and consider the set of data we have. Build a hypothesis and a theory based on it. Make predictions. And then test those predictions. You know - the scientific method? Mind you - test those predictions. Not whether or not an intelligence exists.

That's how science works and that's how the evolutionary theory's built. Evolutionary theory is not some vast conspiracy to deny the existence of God. It is what it is because it's what the data so far have shown us. And yes, there are questions. Hard but nevertheless valid questions. Rest assured that if they are not addressed in due time, evolution will have to be modified or even discarded. It might be hard to grasp, but yes, scientists do discard ideas that don't work. Unlike some group of people.

And before accusing people of being illogical, do take a look at yourself. Here's some quotes from you.

However, as an engineer and information technologist, I know that randomness does not introduce new information, but rather corrupts existing information. No matter how many iterations you run, and you can run many, many billions in a few minutes, the result of randomness is, well, randomness, and when it is applied to existing information, the result is always deleterious.

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> Actually, computerized evolutionary simulations were performed successfully and published in peer-reviewed journals a few decades ago.

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Yes, proving the point that no intelligence whatsoever is necessary to create life or even to drive “evolution”. :rolleyes:

Who's misdirecting here? Must everything be made into a debate of intelligence design? And yes, genetic algorithm can't produce Flight Simulator from a spreadsheet....yet. But then again, it is still in its infancy.

43 posted on 06/01/2007 7:58:09 AM PDT by jc101
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To: jc101

> And yes, genetic algorithm can’t produce Flight Simulator
> from a spreadsheet....yet. But then again, it is still in > its infancy.

You missed the point.

Is “genetic algorithm” a mindless agent, or was it designed intelligently?

As a scientist, you must have heard of the Heisenburg Principle.

I submit that in your experiment, Heisenburg is having a first-order effect.

The Bible talks about those who “professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” and as “ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”


45 posted on 06/01/2007 9:52:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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