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Posted on 05/30/2007 6:25:59 PM PDT by Salem
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Commander’s veto sank Gulf buildup (Admiral Fallon opposes military move against Iran?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834992/posts
Top US War Boss: We Can’t Ignore Iran [No other way but “arrangement” with Iran.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840806/posts
And here’s the kind of sentiment in our Government that’s preventing a real solution on Iran.
Does ‘the decider’ decide on war?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1841804/posts
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When I hear these ninnies advocating talking, I want to know what it is that they mean to say. But it never goes that far. I was amused by that former NATO commander who bragged that he stuck his thumb in Milosovich’s chest and threatened to bomb. Lot of good that speech was. bombs away, any way.
Unannounced? Ha. My own SBD's arrive unannounced.
The fact that one carrier group was going to be replacing another on-station, was broadcast long beforehand, by no less than the U.S. Government, itself. So the group there previously , hung around for a while after their relief group arrived. Like we thought they wouldn't???
The Iranians have a fair idea of what we have, and what we're capable of, at least more of a 'fair idea' than Saddam did, in his infantile fantasies of what would happen to his military.
I think they're betting that if we don't actually put boots on the ground [which would be hell for THEM, and for us most likely, too] we wouldn't be able to stop them (from gaining nuclear weapon capabilities), for very long.
If we bombed the crap out of them, and didn't follow through, and make it REALLY stick...how long would it take them to come roaring back? Five years? Ten? Maybe twenty? Even twenty, aint 'very' long, in the wider span of historical perspective, now is it?
This present predicament the world has worked itself into, has no easy solution that I can see.
Until we see some sort of way towards how we are going to be able to deal with the repurcussions, then I just caN'T get in the mood to 'paar-tAY(!)' regardless of how many here, seem to think this would all be such great fun.
Very interesting.....thanks for the ping....
Check your Freepermail in a bit on an Iraqi topic....
Let's just go back to 2002 and think about what Iran must have been thinking during the U.S. preparations for the invasion of Iraq. If someone had approached the Iranian government and suggested that within five years the following conditions would be in place . . .
1. Iraq's Ba'athist government overthrown
2. Saddam Hussein executed
3. A new Shi'ite-dominated government in place in Iraq
4. The U.S. utterly incapable of mounting a serious military campaign anywhere in the Middle East
5. The ruling party in the U.S. government thrown out of office
6. Iran's biggest export (oil) trading at historic high prices
. . . I suspect nobody in Iran's government would have believed you. They couldn't have done any better if they had placed their own agents in position of power in the U.S. government.
Wow! Thank you so much for this. Why in the world anyone has an ounce of confidence in what we’re hearing on the tv/news is unbelievable to me.
Almost makes me kinda giddy.
“For some reason, no one told you that just 5 days before Monday’s talks, an entire floating army, with nearly 20,000 men, comprising the world’s largest naval strike force, led by the USS Nimitz and the USS Stennis, and also comprising the largest U.S. Naval armada in the Persian Gulf since 2003, came floating up unnanounced through the Straight of Hormuz, and rested right on Iran’s back doorstep, guns pointed at them. The demonstration of leverage was clear. And it also came on the exact date of the expiration of the 60 day grace period the U.N. had granted Iran.”
“And it came just a few weeks after Vice President Dick Cheney had swept through the region and delivered a very clear and pointed message to the Saudi King Abdullah and others: George Bush has unequivocally decided to attack Iran’s nuclear, military and economic infrastructure if they do not abandon their drive for military nuclear capability. Plain and simple. Iran heard the message as well, and although a lack of leverage may seem clear to America’s retired military tv talking heads, it is not so clear to the government in Tehran.”
“The message to both Iran and Syria is that if the talks in Baghdad fail, the military option is ready to go.”
As a wag in the Cuban Crisis said, “Tell Fidel, the US Navy isn’t Avon calling on him!”
The demonstration of leverage was clear. And it also came on the exact date of the expiration of the 60 day grace period the U.N. had granted Iran. And it came just a few weeks after Vice President Dick Cheney had swept through the region and delivered a very clear and pointed message to the Saudi King Abdullah and others: George Bush has unequivocally decided to attack Iran’s nuclear, military and economic infrastructure if they do not abandon their drive for military nuclear capability. Plain and simple. Iran heard the message as well......but just to be on the safe side, I'd think that they'll hear it even more distinctly if smart bombs were involved. Thanks E.
The administration is almost freakishly confident, in marked contrast to media reports like the one featuring Newt Gingrich’s attack on the President below.Newt's only convincing demonstration of effective politickin' was the Contract With America, and he really blew the followup.
Unfortunately, the ones who are interested in a future that allows the continued existence of a free world ultimately get their marching orders from diplomats.
BTW, Our diplomats are using a new lipstick: "Halal-H" it's a Preparation for kissing muslim a--holes...
That is true and my first thought too. However, maybe they did this knowing we wouldn’t go to war for such a thing. It really is a travesty what happened in 1979- it created many of the problems since.
Are we trying to play off both sides at a time? That would be clever, but I really don't think that an administration that's as ham-handed on illegal immigration would be this creative.
Post #28. Nothing new in the article. The rag just gathered some old news reports into one.
Actually, the Nimitz strike group relieved the Eisenhower group which left the Gulf region at the beginning of May. The USS Stennis and the USS Bonhomme Richard are still operating in the Gulf. The three ships are flagships for three different strike groups.
If we bombed the crap out of them, and didn't follow through, and make it REALLY stick...how long would it take them to come roaring back? Five years? Ten? Maybe twenty? Even twenty, aint 'very' long, in the wider span of historical perspective, now is it?
The idea is detterence; repercussions, today. The Iranian government has publicly threatened both the United States and Israel. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the current Iranian government has been extensively profiled by myriad articles from numerous sources, posted at FREE REPUBLIC. Iran with a nuclear weapons program is intolerable. Five, ten, and twenty years down the road, if we fail to act, could reveal a world living under the tyranny of a nuclear armed Islamist regime with the ability to wreak havoc. It could reveal a world with the current regime in Iran overthrown and living productively among the community of nations.
This present predicament the world has worked itself into, has no easy solution that I can see. Bomb bomb Bomb bombbom-Iran might be a catchy tune, but what happens after the band stops playing? Who cleans up all the spilled drinks, the overturned tables, and the discarded party hats? Who sets things right, so that the next day can be productive, and peaceful? Until we see some sort of way towards how we are going to be able to deal with the repurcussions, then I just caN'T get in the mood to 'paar-tAY(!)' regardless of how many here, seem to think this would all be such great fun.
America has been this way before. Germany and Japan are still there. We're still there. America and the West shouldered the repercussions and prevailed.
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