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Can Water fuel world - [Water Burns! (Energy Crisis solved?)]
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 30, 2007 | By Joe Kovacs

Posted on 05/30/2007 3:11:55 PM PDT by freemike

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To: Erasmus

One of the TV news reports shows the guy placing his hand in the path of the radio waves — in the same spot as the salt water is giving off flame.

So the intensity of the radio waves is not enough to be harmful, but it is enough to cause this flame.

On the other hand, we are swimming in a sea of background radio waves and we don’t see the oceans igniting. So the intensity needed is somewhere in between background levels and what would cook the guy’s hand. That narrows it down, eh ?


101 posted on 05/31/2007 9:34:27 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: stylin19a

People are always looking for the least energy-intensive way to make drinking water from ocean water.

He was originally working on using radio waves to hit cancer cells that had absorbed metals inside the body, causing them to heat and selectively destroy the cancer cells. Apparently, cancer cells absorb more metals than healthy cells, so they can be targeted that way.

While doing that, somebody asked him about desalinating water with radio waves. While testing that, he was surprised to find the ocean water would flame. He didn’t go looking for either desalination or a fancy way to get a flame from water.


102 posted on 05/31/2007 9:41:26 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

If the intensity of radio waves that is broadcast were enough, then the oceans would already be aflame.

The intensity needed must be more than that, but less than what is harmful to healthy human tissue, since that was the purpose of the radio emitter he built.

Because the radio emitter wasn’t built specifically to perform the separation of water, another would need to be designed to determine the lower threshold of energy needed to create the effect. Even if the existing emitter uses more energy than the heat from the flame could generate, that doesn’t mean anything. A purpose built emitter — providing only enough radio waves to create the effect — might still produce net energy.


103 posted on 05/31/2007 10:34:01 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789
thanks...I didn't see the part about somebody asking him...all i saw was this

But in the midst of his experiments as he was trying to take salt out of water, Kanzius discovered his machine could do what some may have thought was impossible: turning water into fuel.

"On our way to try to do desalinization, we came up with something that burns...

104 posted on 05/31/2007 10:34:58 AM PDT by stylin19a (It's easier to get up at 6:00 AM to play golf than at 10:00 to mow the yard)
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To: freemike
Kanzius said he hasn't decided whether to share his fuel discovery with government or private business, though he'd prefer a federal grant to develop it.

A clue to how it works? I'm sure he's already applied for a patent.

105 posted on 05/31/2007 10:37:44 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: MrB

Does it ? There is no way to burn sodium, chloride, hydrogen, and oxygen, generate electricity, and have it be more than enough to separate the salt water ?

If it was just pure H2O, I would agree with you, but I’m not a chemist and have no idea what energy might be released from the sodium chloride.


106 posted on 05/31/2007 10:39:45 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789

Nope, no way. NaCl won’t “burn”, ie, oxygenate,

and the hydrogen is already “burned” because it is combined with an oxygen atom (H2O).

That’s what “burning” is - attaching oxygen to another atom/molecule, and it releases energy/heat in the process.


107 posted on 05/31/2007 11:02:29 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: RipSawyer
Ah, here it is. It was this appearance on ACL from 2005, and the song was Some Humans Ain't Human, with specific reference to George W. Bush ("some cowboy from Texas") as belonging in that category.

The hubris and hypocrisy of Prine, in this song, literally dehumanizing, like, half the country, and then calling them, rather than himself, unkind, jealous, stupid, etc, is stunning.

This kind of thing makes me sad rather than angry, which is usually why I try to avoid it. Although being constantly put in the position of having to avoid it tends to make me a little angry.

108 posted on 05/31/2007 11:28:26 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: MrB

So, given the color of the flame shown in the videos, what is burning ? What are the products of the combustion ?


109 posted on 05/31/2007 11:29:32 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789

Haven’t looked at the videos.

This has all the smell of a massive hoax, though.


110 posted on 05/31/2007 11:36:18 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

The videos are all from TV news reports, not something put together by the “inventor”, so they do not appear to be tightly controlled or scripted the way hoaxes usually do.

Three different videos from three different TV station news crews.


111 posted on 05/31/2007 1:25:26 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: stylin19a

Yes, the article is poorly written. That’s the World Net Daily for you.

Watch and listen the the TV news videos linked at the bottom of the article and there is more info. Only the third one even shows a graphic of what he was trying to originally accomplish with radio waves and fighting his own cancer without chemo.

None say anything about measuring the energy input vs. output.

I’d actually like to know more about the approach to killing cancer cells.


112 posted on 05/31/2007 1:34:58 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Kellis91789

thyanks...I’ll check out the videos.


113 posted on 05/31/2007 8:17:51 PM PDT by stylin19a (It's easier to get up at 6:00 AM to play golf than at 10:00 to mow the yard)
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To: bnelson44

Say it isn’t so!

Someone thinking about the actual science instead of looking at a orange flame...

My question to you is why has no one writing the article included that crucial tidbit. lol

W


114 posted on 08/03/2007 12:00:56 PM PDT by WLR
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