Posted on 05/29/2007 7:42:04 PM PDT by OneHun
Probably all his stuff (including papers) got left behind when he got nabbed by Israeli agents. I guess Argentina held onto all those things in some warehouse.
I think that he was helped by Odessa, a secret group of Nazis dedicated to smuggling peopleout of Europe to avoid prosecution for war crimes.
It is said that Martin Borman and Joseph Mengele were smuggled to South America by Odessa also.
Interesting! I’ll try and read up on it.
Axmann's account of Bormann's death
As World War II came to a close, Bormann held out with Hitler in the Führerbunker in Berlin. On 30 April 1945, just before committing suicide, Hitler urged Bormann to save himself. On 1 May, Bormann left the Führerbunker with SS doctor Ludwig Stumpfegger and Hitler Youth leader Artur Axmann as part of a group attempting to break out of the Soviet encirclement. They emerged from an underground subway tunnel and quickly became disoriented among the ruins and ongoing battle. They walked for a time with some German tanks, but all three were temporarily stunned by an exploding anti-tank shell. Leaving the tanks and the rest of their group, they walked along railroad tracks to Lehrter station where Axmann decided to go alone in the opposite direction of his two companions. When he encountered a Red Army patrol, Axmann doubled back and later insisted he had seen the bodies of Bormann and Stumpfegger near the railroad switching yard with moonlight clearly illuminating their faces.[9] He assumed they had been shot in the back.
Axmann's account gains support
Axmann and Krumnow's accounts were bolstered in late 1972 when construction workers uncovered human remains near the Lehrter Bahnhof in West Berlin just 12 meters from the spot where Krumnow claimed he had buried them. Dental records — reconstructed from memory in 1945 by Dr. Hugo Blaschke — identified the skeleton as Bormann's, and damage to the collarbone was consistent with injuries Bormann's sons reported he had sustained in a riding accident in 1939. Fragments of glass in the jawbones of both skeletons indicated that Bormann and Stumpfegger had committed suicide by biting cyanide capsules in order to avoid capture. Soon after, in a press conference held by the West German government, Bormann was declared dead, a statement condemned by London's Daily Express as a whitewash perpetrated by the Brandt government. West German diplomatic functionaries were given the official instruction: "If anyone is arrested on suspicion that he is Bormann we will be dealing with an innocent man."[8] In 1998, a test identified a skull as that of Bormann, using DNA from an unnamed 83-year-old relative.[1]
Some controversy continued, however. For example, Hugh Thomas' 1995 book Doppelgangers claimed there were forensic inconsistencies suggesting Bormann died later than 1945.
“what about those snappy outfits he once had?”
Half are in Pat Buchanon’s closet, the other half, Ron Paul’s.
I’m sorry.
I’m not one of the let’s “bash any conservative outside the RINO mainstream” and I sure don’t think either of those are Nazis.
that sort of PC smearing is leftist talk or better yet....belongs with the recent harpie crowd that went to wideawakes where the harpies and clowns can chortle over all that
I like Pat on cultural issues.
I like Paul on some domestic issues.
I think both are very wrong on foreign issues.
I prefer Tancredo quixotically and hope Thompson has the right stuff and will not just be more PC-GOP-lite.
Anti-Semitic bastards even then.
ROTFLMAO!
I’ve long found Ward Churchill is a great way to determine quickly if somebody you just met, or have known for a short while, is a moonbat.
Um, it was a joke.
This is popular misconception. Besides a handful of Nazis, the rest were never put on trial for their crimes. Over ten thousand Nazis settled in U.S. for example.
In Germany, John Mc Cloy stopped prosecution of the Nazis and even let Alfried Krups, already convicted in Nuremberg out of jail and returned all his ill-gotten gains to him. Operation Paperclip brought Nazi scientists to Huntsville, Ala. Nazi inteligence network was integrated into newly formed CIA. Nazi ideologues in academia remained on their posts in Heidelberg, faking 'victims of Nazi prosecution'. And so on.
In Austria, situation was very similar. Kurt Waldheim even became President and Gensec of UN.
Only small fry Nazis were prosecuted.
200 000 Americans who gave their lives in WWII must be spinning in their graves like the Liberator propellers.
Clandestine Nazi network was not needed. It was all legal. However, there was indeed one clandestine channel, operated by Roman Catholic Church :
Although I’m not aware of any high party officers who followed this route, a not insignificant number of SS men also found anonymity in the French Foreign Legion, and wound up in Indochina.
Ditto for Syria. I've heard some second smoke evidence about Saudi Arabia.
Also, was the passport issued in Eichmann's real name or under an alias? I'm almost certain that he lived in Argentina under an alias until someone recognized who he was and tipped off Israeli intelligence.
no, it was a smear meant to be witty and perpetuate an inaccurate stereotype that either cultural conservatives (me) or isolationists (pat, not me) are national socialists
Confiscate it.
Cuz you can never be sure.
Wow, Francis, you need to relax.
But, if you want to be serious, Pat is an anti-semite. His isolationism has always been very selective to Israel.
Ron Paul seems to fall into this selective pattern, but maybe he’s just crazy.
As a non-German, I can say that I believe that German people got shafted in 20th century by joint effort of J.P Morgan goons (Hitler) and Warbug goons (Soviets). A perfect crime, great European people and greatest European culture destroyed, perhaps for good.
The horror inflicted by the Nazis and their allies (I had family members murdered) makes it difficult to speak of what befell German people.
I find it horrible that 60% of Germans (those who did not support Hitler) suffered the most in firebombing and hunger, while Nazi ideologues in academia, Nazi financiers and Nazis themselves escaped punishment.
In the book Oddessa file Forsyth unearthed that German Department of Justice processed only 13 cases of lower-rank Nazis only prior to 1963.
For example, the commandant of Nazi concentration camp Sajmiste was apprehended in 1960 in Munich and released in 1961, while his deputy was not even apprehended.
I say that Nazis were protected by the United States and no clandestine network was needed. The most dirtiest ones were left to Vatican to spirit out of Europe. Oddesa was only cheap explanation. Bertelsmann, Krupp et al. that is real odessa.
The fact that leisure retreat of Nazi officials (Pullach) was chosen as a seat of BND is the most telling on the symbolic level. The same as purveyor of Nazi propaganda for Wehrmacht (Berttelsmann) being allowed to build media empire.
The world is not black and white, rather it is all shades of gray. However, I believe that my sketch is fairly accurate.
What do you say? You may contact me offline if you prefer.
It should be in a Holocaust museum, in Berlin or Tel Aviv or Washington.
Blame the Catholics, eh?
This passport was issued in Geneve!
You need medication.
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