I take it you two are not glossing over her fractured back, correct?
Posted on 05/28/2007 9:33:12 AM PDT by wagglebee
The Christian attorney who fought to keep Terry Schiavo alive says the three leading GOP presidential candidates don't understand the important disability issues involved in the widely publicized 2005 case.
During a recent Republican presidential debate in California, the candidates were asked whether Congress was right to intervene in the Terry Schiavo case by attempting to prevent the state of Florida from removing the disabled woman's feeding tube. The answers varied.
Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, said he thought it "was a mistake" for Congress to get involved and the matter should have been left at the state level. Senator John McCain said Congress "probably acted too hastily." And former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani called the case a "family dispute."
David Gibbs III of the Christian Law Association says the United States gives greater due process to convicted murderers than to innocent disabled people. The former attorney for Schiavo's parents argues that Congress did the right thing when it intervened to provide her those rights.
"Many of the candidates are following the political wind, if you will, instead of showing leadership and saying, 'You know what? That was good public policy back then. We need to stand up for the disabled. We need to stand up for the senior citizens,'" Gibbs says. "We need to have that compassion for vulnerable people as opposed to taking the mindset that those people that just don't matter," he notes.
It is disingenuous, the Christian attorney contends, for candidates to claim they are pro-life but not be willing to grant due process rights to the disabled. "If you're pro-life, you have to be pro-life at every step," he says.
"Please understand: our founding fathers understood that you don't have any liberty, our Constitution doesn't matter, if you don't protect the innocent life of the citizens," Gibbs explains. "That's why they talked about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- your free speech, your freedom of religion, your right to own a gun or [receive] due process of law," he says. "If the government can kill you, you have no true liberty."
When Rudy Giuliani visited Florida he initially said he was in favor of assisting Terry Schiavo but later backpedaled from those comments, Gibbs points out. And in the recent GOP presidential debate, he says, only Kansas Senator Sam Brownback and Congressman Duncan Hunter of California got the issue right when they were asked about the Schiavo case.
Do you remember Carla Iyer? She said that many nurses and personnel at the heath care facilities had a restraining order against Michael Schiavo. She was involved with Terri from 1995 - 1996. But lookie here. It is exactly as she says a year or two earlier from that. Everyone knows you love to beat up on Carla.
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/documents/temporaryrestrainingaffidavit0294.pdf
I take it you two are not glossing over her fractured back, correct?
Which doesn’t change anything that’s been said. These are hot spots on a bone scan, except for the compression fracture which I believe was confirmed by X-ray. There are no X-rays comfirming that other hotspots are fractures, despite multiple x-rays taken during her initial hospitalization.
So we come back to:
1. Are you asserting that the doctors in the ER and during her initial hospitalization missed the fractures on every x-ray taken? Although you can miss acute rib fractures on an ordinary chest x-ray, when they heal, you get exuberant bone formation and it shows. Terri Schiavo was in the acute hospital for 2 and a half months. After 3 to 4 weeks, fracture callus would show up on X-ray and be glaringly obvious.
2. If you maintain every hotspot was a fracture, what mechanism could cause that injury pattern?
3. Any mechanism causing the injury you are asserting she had, would basically have detached the ribs from the spine at several levels on both sides. Not only would that take tremendous force (as in a high speed car accident) it would damage underlying structures as well. No such damage was noted during her hosptialization, and there are no reports of the bruising one would expect.
Sure. Would you like to comment on Michael's rehap therapy. We all know that osteoporosis develops overnight : )
From the autopsy report: "as far back as 1991, Mrs. Schiavo was noted to have osteoporosis."
As to the rehab, I'm not sure what you're asking. I haven't seen details of the techniques and therapies, but from the GAL report: "She received regular and intense physical, occupational and speech therapies."
We all know that osteoporosis develops overnight : )
If you don't believe the autopsy report stating that she had osteoporosis in 1991, and you don't think the compresson fracture was due to osteoporosis, please share how you think the compression fracture occurred. Bear in mind mechanisms that cause compression fractures.
I have no doubt there was bad blood between Mr. Schiavo and the heath care facility. I have no doubt that Mr. Schiavo was forceful. In fact, he admitted it himself. Also note, though, that he had officers of the law with him--it's not like he came in and was there criminally. He was there lawfully.
The allegations beyond that are without credibility, though. Detective Iyer claims that Mrs. Schiavo's medical charts were altered after her shift, yet never documented this until after she was fired? She claims that she found this insulin concealed and multiple injection sites...gee, how much insulin and how many injections would it take to off someone?!?
Even experimental treatments were tried to get improvement, but Mr. Schiavo had to be convinced by physicians to give up because there wasn't any hope of her recovering. Of course, Drs. Carla Sauer Iyer and Heidi Law tell us that therapy would have fixed her right up. </sarc>
Show me where the autopsy report said that she had osteroporois in 1991 when the autopsy was done in 2005. You don't sound very honest to me.
There was no therapy. Terri is dead. Be happy.
Nobody coudld give Terry even a drop of water to keep her from dying.
That's the law.
Check post #307. Here is is again from the autopsy report: "as far back as 1991, Mrs. Schiavo was noted to have osteoporosis." It's on page 6 of my PDF copy of the autopsy report and supplemental, and it's third paragraph down.
As to honesty, if you want to call me dishonest for quoting and citing my sources, I think it reflects on the accuser, not the accused.
I am eagerly awaiting an answer to how you think the compression fracture occurred, consistent with the mechanisms known to cause those fractures.
To be more precise, it’s page 6 of the supplemental, or second section, which starts off with “June 13, 2005” and is in question and answer format. It is under question #2 “Why was a bone scan performed in 1991 and what did the results indicate?”
Dr. Walker's testimony indicates her back fracture and other bone "hot spots" were not do to osteoporosis. "Patient has history of Trauma". I don't see why you want disregard direct medical evidence.
It does seem a little ridiculous, doesn't it? So ridiculous that the insurance companies never ever saw the bone scan in the 1992 lawsuit. It might of saved them a lot of money from the phony bulimia lawsuit. It ain't over.
Although this doesn't contain too many medical facts, this is a sobering interview with Pat Anderson. I think you need to meditate on it a bit. At the very least, your side will find one more person to trash.
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Pat Anderson reflecting on Terri Schiavo after her judicial murder.
Where did Dr.Walker specifically say her compression fracture was not due to osteoporosis? I can't find anywhere that he says that. And no, the other hot spots wouldn't be due to osteoporosis. Both the rehab docs, and the autopsy opined that they were due to heterotrophic ossification.
"Patient has history of Trauma". I don't see why you want disregard direct medical evidence.
Dr. Walker's direct evidence:
Q "And the activity in L1 correlates perfectly with the compression fracture which is presumably traumatic."
A That's what it says.
Q Okay. Do you have any way of knowing how the compression fracture at L1 occurred?
A No.
So the direct medical evidence contained in the testimony is that a compression fracture was seen on X-ray, correlating with the hot spot on bone scan. Dr. Walker acknowledges he has no way of knowing how it occured, and given that the scan request said "history of trauma," wrote that it was presumably traumatic. He also said "In somebody her age, an auto accident is by far the most typical cause," because of the pattern of injury. I am still waiting to hear an alternate cause that would give the same pattern of injury if the other hot spots were indeed fractures.
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