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To: b_sharp
Since you seem to trying to overwhelm me with posts, I will say that Evolution is faith based, not fact based.

Now, you have to bring in another Universe view to explain the one we are in.

The view that something cannot come from nothing is thus, a fact.

Creationists start with God and never deny it.

We try to understand what He created, not invent notions that 'this could have happened this way or that' and than ignore the fact that getting life from non-life is impossible, which you evolutionists well know.

So either God is impossible or Evolution is.

All science that is true science deals with what can be observed and tested.

There is no way that any Evolution view of history can be tested, it is all conjecture and hypothetical, based on a religious paradigm that rejects a Creator God.

280 posted on 06/02/2007 12:51:24 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
We try to understand what He created, not invent notions that 'this could have happened this way or that' and than ignore the fact that getting life from non-life is impossible, which you evolutionists well know.

It must be strange to have no faith in astronomy, physics, archeology, geneology, biology, and the safety of nuclear reactors.

298 posted on 06/03/2007 8:22:44 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Since you seem to trying to overwhelm me with posts, I will say that Evolution is faith based, not fact based.

And when I ask for some kind of verification beyond a bald assertion you dance away.

Define 'faith', define evolution and define science. From what I can see you sure aren't using the same definitions for any of them that I am familiar with.

"Now, you have to bring in another Universe view to explain the one we are in.

I never said there was another Universe, nor have I said that there is a 'void'. What I did say was that any conditions you can come up with for your God to be exempt from needing a creator can also logically be applied to the universe. If you do not understand my point that is unfortunate, I do not know any way of making it clearer.

"The view that something cannot come from nothing is thus, a fact.

Is this 'fact' born of empirical evidence or philosophy?

"Creationists start with God and never deny it.

That is their privilege. However, any attempt to make the physical evidence fit a preconceived goal is not science. Science starts with the observation and then forms a hypothesis. The data, the tests and the results determine the success or failure of the hypothesis. Creationists have a hypothesis which they declare true and then modify the data or the physical laws to fit that hypothesis.

"We try to understand what He created, not invent notions that 'this could have happened this way or that' and than ignore the fact that getting life from non-life is impossible, which you evolutionists well know.

Why is life from non-life impossible?

"So either God is impossible or Evolution is.

I disagree with your use of a dichotomy.

"All science that is true science deals with what can be observed and tested.

Such as? Name some sciences which are 'real' and why.

"There is no way that any Evolution view of history can be tested, it is all conjecture and hypothetical, based on a religious paradigm that rejects a Creator God.

I take it you have never diagnosed a problem or tried to determine what/who broke a lamp, or determined what left tracks on your lawn.

303 posted on 06/04/2007 7:18:14 PM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle. If they scream ignore it.)
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