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Romney vs. Romney (Answering DNC, Boston Globe, Newsmax, SLTribunes lies about Romney)
Various, DNC, NRA-ILA, Deseret News, Evangelicals for Mitt ^ | Dec 11, 2006 | Various (DNC, Bruce Wilson, NRA-ILA, Sekulow)

Posted on 05/25/2007 6:02:32 AM PDT by Rameumptom

[This is a compilation showing a clear pattern of Liberal Media lies about Romney which get repeated by some here on FR. The DNC is the source of many of these lies. Unfortunately it is Proof that lying liberal propoganda works even on FReepers who claim to be conservative.]

SEKULOW ADDRESSES FALSE BOY SCOUT ALLEGATION

Monday, December 11, 2006

I’m sure by now you’ve heard rumors Gov. Romney is not as conservative as he claims. One allegation bothersome to me was the idea that Gov. Romney somehow prevented the Boy Scouts from participating in the Olympics in Salt Lake to make a political statement. Constitutional lawyer Jay Sekulow sent me an e-mail which addresses this issue—which is just one of the many misrepresentations a group called MassResistance is circulating amongst conservatives:

Short Summary - Brian Camenker’s claim in “The Mitt Romney Deception” that “Romney Barred Boy Scouts from public participation in the 2002 Olympics” is entirely false. There are several articles that directly contradict Camenker’s conclusion. NewsMax.com, Camenker’s source, did not even claim that Romney made the decision to bar the Scouts. In fact, Romney, at least at that time, sat on the Boy Scout’s executive board. The Boy Scouts said that the NewsMax article was false. Even NewsMax admitted that the Olympic Committee said that there was an age restriction of 18 years old and up to be a volunteer. There are also inconsistencies in the two NewsMax articles, only one of which is cited by Camenker. There is also some negative treatment of the accuracy of NewsMax.com, but mostly by liberal critics. Since no major media source ran anything about this story, and the local media directly contradicted it, it appears that Camenker’s claim is false.

I. Camenker’s claim that “Romney Barred Boy Scouts from public participation in the 2002 Olympics” and his source, NewsMax.com.

Camenker does not accurately describe his own source, NewsMax.com. The NewsMax article did claim that the 2002 Salt Lake Olympic Committee refused to let the Boy Scouts participate as a group. However, the NewsMax article states that the spokesperson for the Olympic Committee stated in an interview that the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate as a group because of an age limit.........SEKULOW ADDRESSES FALSE BOY SCOUT ALLEGATION

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Massachusetts - Firearms Reform Bill Sent to the Governor`s Desk - Tuesday, June 29, 2004

Despite the efforts of some (including The Boston Globe) to spin this bill as an extension of or creation of a new "Assault Weapons" ban, the bill makes no net changes to the Commonwealth`s laws regarding those types of firearms. The three sections referencing them merely dealt with re-affirming the definitions of what an "Assault Weapon" could be.

Here are just some of the points that the media (including The Boston Globe) got wrong.

Myth: Some headlines claimed that the legislature voted to expand the ban on the sale of the same 19 guns that the federal government has banned.

Fact: The guns are already banned in Massachusetts . The legislature only voted to clarify the definition of so-called "assault weapons," but made no changes to the number of guns included.

Myth: The gun ban was extended.

Fact: Our state`s gun ban was not due to disappear, nor will it become invalid if the federal ban sunsets in September.

Myth: The legislature somehow "won over" gun-rights supporters by including reforms.

Fact: NRA and Gun owners` Action League (GOAL) had made it very clear to the legislature that we would not give up any ground. NRA and GOAL supported this bill because it did not ban any guns, and because it made much-needed reforms.

Myth: Those legislators that wanted to expand the semi-auto gun ban claimed that they "spearheaded" S.2367.

Fact: Credit should be given to Senator Stephen Brewer (D- Barre) and Senator Richard T. Moore (D - Uxbridge) for the reform language.

Myth: The Massachusetts House approved a new version of the ban that would decouple the state definitions from the federal ones.

Fact: The bill merely takes the existing state references to federal law, and fixes the language to a point in time in 1994. Because that is the federal language is currently in effect, the net effect on Massachusetts gun owners is zero. No new gun bans are banned. Keep in mind that the state language in effect before this bill was NEVER set to expire.

With that in mind, NRA members should be very pleased in knowing that their efforts to educate and work with their local representatives and senators resulted in a successful reform action.

Thanks to you and the Gun Owners` Action League, lawful gun owners can now take advantage of this first set of real reforms in over five years.

http://www.nraila.org/

NRA-ILA Massachusetts - Firearms Reform Bill

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The Boston Globe's Mitt Romney / Mormon Church conspiracy theory: Journalism or politics?

Bruce Wilson

Deseret News Oct 2006

I live in Utah and write political commentary. I'm also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints — commonly known as the Mormon Church. So it shouldn't be surprising that recent reports in The Boston Globe caught my attention. Allegations of Mitt Romney's political action committee and Mormon Church leaders collaborating in a sinister plot to drum-up support for Romney's unannounced presidential campaign sounded interesting.

But my interest soon shifted from alleged campaign infractions to obvious journalistic infractions. Theoretically, news is published only if it's factual, balanced and fair. I guess in this case The Globe thought one out of three was close enough.......DeseretNews.com

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DNC on Romney

The Mitt Romney Deception (by Brian Camenker, MassResistance) linked by DNC

Despite recent statements across the country by Governor Mitt Romney claiming he's pro-life, pro-family and a committed conservative, a broad investigation of his actual statements, actions, and public positions over the years indicates that he has spent his entire career speaking and governing as a liberal - and that his new found conversion to conservatism very likely coincides with his candidacy for the presidency.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2008; elections; media; romney
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Romney has showed that he his fiscally, safety and morally responsible and God Bless Him as our next President Of The United States of America.
41 posted on 11/17/2007 9:39:21 AM PST by alu777
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To: alu777

If that is fiscally responsible, you’d love Hillary.


42 posted on 11/19/2007 1:05:06 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: Rameumptom

Mitt Romney’s campaign in the South is over, after he made negative comments about the Confederate flag. Fred Thompson won’t do much better.


43 posted on 12/02/2007 9:04:17 PM PST by l8pilot
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To: Utah Binger
I have it on good authority that this is true. I really hope so. Wouldn't want a leader that doesn't know how to use powerful language when required. BTW, that road leading to Snow Basin was supposed to be open when this incident occurred. My close relative was there.

I see many so-called conservatives are hard at work trying to castrate our leaders. I know our military would really appreciate their sentiments(not).

44 posted on 12/04/2007 10:21:25 AM PST by LifeOrGoods? (God is not a God of fear, but of power, love and a sane mind.)
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To: LifeOrGoods?

OK?


45 posted on 12/04/2007 10:28:16 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah, where the world comes to see America)
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To: Rameumptom
Ping A Romney

Ping!
46 posted on 12/20/2007 10:21:32 AM PST by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: LifeOrGoods?

“I see many so-called conservatives are hard at work trying to castrate our leaders.”


The draft dodging Romney is not one of our leaders, he was a ONE term governor of Massachusetts that serves in no office today. He is simply a citizen that veterans and conservatives are not fond of, that is why he is only drawing 11% support here on FR.


47 posted on 12/21/2007 10:03:52 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Rameumptom

A bunch of hooey.

Romney is a recent convert — probably conversions of political expediency — to conservative positions on life, guns, borders, everything.

Last week he stated that he SUPPORTS the gay agenda at the state level. His term in office proved that.

He’s a fraud and a danger to this country.


48 posted on 01/02/2008 10:14:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: elizabetty
Have you met Brian Camenker? I have. He's a good person. Quit lying about him.

If you have to lie to make your point maybe your point is not true.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

49 posted on 01/02/2008 11:42:46 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: CatQuilt
Camenker tack is "A conservative conversion for me but not for thee."

Camenker has been documented as lying if you actually read the article. If he "mispoke" why hasn't he corrected it.

If he is a good man perhaps you could tell us why he allowed his article to be published on the DNC website for about 6 months around the time Romney declared. He can easily distance himself from the DNC with a simple statement saying it was wrong to help the DNC. I don't trust "conservatives" who use the DNC to get their message out.

He criticisez Romney for voting for a "pro gay and pro abortion" Democrats yet he has done the same.

“I voted for John Anderson for president and Michael Dukakis for governor." Brian Camenker

So when did he flip flop? He can't even pass his own litmus test.

50 posted on 01/02/2008 1:27:01 PM PST by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Rameumptom
Camenker tack is "A conservative conversion for me but not for thee." Camenker has been documented as lying if you actually read the article. If he "mispoke" why hasn't he corrected it.

He voted for Dukakis in the 70's, as did I...then we grew up... That is Romney's modus operendi, to say that someone is lying, instead of refuting the allegations. Camenker is a pro-life, pro-family activist. He is not running for any political office as a conservative.

If he is a good man perhaps you could tell us why he allowed his article to be published on the DNC website for about 6 months around the time Romney declared. He can easily distance himself from the DNC with a simple statement saying it was wrong to help the DNC. I don't trust "conservatives" who use the DNC to get their message out.

He published this info through his own group's website, www.massresistance.com and several other conservative groups and individuals (bloggers) across Massachusetts and the country picked the info up. The information paints a very negative picture of a Republican running for president so it isn't terribly surprising that the DNC would pick it up (we were happy that Zell Miller, a Democrat, was on our side in 2004, weren't we?)

He criticisez Romney for voting for a "pro gay and pro abortion" Democrats yet he has done the same. “I voted for John Anderson for president and Michael Dukakis for governor." Brian Camenker So when did he flip flop? He can't even pass his own litmus test.

Wasn't John Anderson running as an independent? And as I said, many of us voted Democrat in the 70s but realized the errors of our ways (did you always vote Republican?). Romney was voting for Democrats as late as 1992 (Paul Tsongas)...

51 posted on 01/03/2008 6:12:36 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: xzins

that is exactly what he is too, A Fake Conservative

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3xJdFbJGw (The Fake Conservative Choice)


52 posted on 01/23/2008 10:21:25 AM PST by PaRepub07
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To: PaRepub07; All
Folks I really would like to support Mitt, however, I just have a few questions. Here are a few articles that I found on the net regarding Mitt. Boy, I sure would appreciate some answers to these very factual articles and youtube postings. The part that concerns me the most is when one hears Mitt in his own words. Any suggestions

Mitt on Illegal Immigration

Mitt Romney Supports Bush/McCain Amnesty Plan..IN HIS OWN WORDS

Illegal immigrants toiled for governor Romney'

Romney's lawn care company hires illegal immigrants...AGAIN!

Why did Mitt Romney hire illegal immigrants to work in his mansion?

Why do anti-illegal imigrant people hire illegal immigrants?

Romney's Lawn Trouble

Romney painters facing inquiry...violating labor laws and hiring illegals..otra ves!

Mitt on McCain/Fiengold

Mitt's Demands Campaign Finance Reforms

Mitt on Abortion

Mitt trashs Pro-Lifers

Mitt on Republicans

Mitt trashs Reagan

Mitt trashs Republicans

Mitt trashs Reagan Otra Ves

Mitt trashes the Contract with American and the Republicans Again

Mitt on Healthcare Debacle

Mitt and Hillary both in Favor of Mandates for Healthcare



RomneyCare still a spiraling fiscal disaster

Romneycare Mandates..Massachusetts Health Plan Denounced As Imminent 'Disaster'

Romney quiet on health care because his plan is a dismal failure

It's hard to tell everyone you're the heir to Ronald Reagan while you're touting Hillary Clinton's health care plan. There is no material difference between the two

Mitt on Liberal Judges

Romney appointed liberal judges in Massachusetts

Romney Jurist Not Tilted to Gop

Mitt on the Second Amendment

Mitt Romney - Gun Control

Mitt Romney Flip Flops on Gun Control



Mitt on the Taxes

Romney's tax record gets a closer look

Romney oversaw millions in fee hikes as Massachusetts governor

Romney - Increased state fees and taxes by three quarters of a billion dollars


53 posted on 02/04/2008 11:50:42 AM PST by Fred (Looking Forward to Impeaching the other Clinton)
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To: xzins

Over the last two weeks, some focus has come down to Rudy and Romney. I thought both would make good Presidents. Mitt, however, has shown that he will fight in every state, while Rudy played a bit of rope-a-dope, lost the repeticious, tired 9/11 broken-record gamble. Until he dropped out with ONE deligate and threw his support to McCain, I thought Rudy might have had the right idea, but Rudy is liberal. I saw him on the Leno Show telling fibs through his teeth about being “conservative”. McCain also chimed in with the “I’m a conservative” crock ‘o’ dung.
Rudy Gooolie and McCain BOTH think they are “conservative” because they both TURN OFF THE WATER AFTER A SHOWER apparently. Rudy was for abortion, gun control, and a host of LIBERAL CAUSES.
Romney is not a perfect candidate. We don’t have any perfect candidates. In fact, I could still support Mike Huckabee without reservation in a general election against either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. I think, though, that Romney has the most staying power, the better argument, and the best resume of the remaining Republican candidates. I will enthusiastically talk up Mitt Romney on February 5th.

Then we see former Thompsonites coming into the Romney fold, most notably Liz Cheney…

ORLANDO, Florida (CNN) — Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter Elizabeth Cheney is joining Mitt Romney’s presidential bid, his campaign announced Sunday.

She previously stumped for former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee who dropped out of the race last week.

In a statement released by Romney’s campaign, Cheney said the former Massachusetts governor “has distinguished himself as a leader who can guide our country with a clear vision for overcoming the threats we face today.”

And then this morning I’m watching the McLaughlin group today and it’s Romney, Romney, Romney. Nobody is behind McCain. It’s truly amazing to see the Republican chattering class rally like this, but there it is nonetheless.

And sure, McCain is securing some good endorsements, but the institution as a whole is getting behind Romney because they think he can be a “change” agent, whereas McCain can’t. They think he’s effectively taken this message away from Obama, and I guess we’ll see if they’re right in the coming weeks.


54 posted on 02/06/2008 3:55:45 PM PST by Celeb1013
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To: tiger-one
This shows his lack of leadership, POTUS Reagan had the same obstacles and lead this nation in spite of them.

President Reagan give us ONE good Supreme Court Judge and TWO terrible Supreme Court judges. Bush has given us TWO good Supreme Court judges.

Ronald Reagan gave us AMNESTY FOR ALL ILLEGALS IN 1986. Bush tried to do the same and failed. Perhaps he'd have succeeded if he called it AMNESTY, like Ronald Reagan did. Reagan was honest about what he did here. Bush and McCain lied repeatedly about their bill not being amnesty.

Ronald Reagan cut-and-ran from Lebanon after the terrorists killed over 250 of our bravest.

Ronald Reagan RAISED the corporate SS tax rate. George Bush got us tax CUTS.

Pull your head out of your a-hole for once and actually put these things into proper perspective.

RONALD MAGNUS REAGAN WAS A RINO ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES TOO. Unless you consider amnesty, raising taxes and judges who ignore and invent new meanings in the Constitution to be some Conserrvative values. McCain, is that you?

But thank God all you Reagan worshippers are here to straighten us out on what a Conservative is.

SO ALL YOU SINGLE ISSUE HUCKLEBEE VOTERS, TELL ME WHY THE HELL I SHOULD BELIEVE MCCAIN OR HUCKLEBEE WILL BE BETTER THAN BUSH ON JUDGES? You all seem to worship the ground Reagan walked upon, but for some reason cannot bring yourselves to realize that Reagan was FAR from an ideal Conservative when it came to judges. Especially since ABORTION is the ONLY issue that you all seem to care about.

55 posted on 02/06/2008 4:19:07 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Celeb1013; P-Marlowe; scripter; Jim Robinson

I have not drunk the liberal rino kool-aid.

Romney is not a conservative. McCain is not a conservative. Huckabee is not a conservative.

All of this can be backed up by the statements of each of those nominees.

At this point, the most conservative candidate in the race is Ron Paul, yet I detest his isolationist plank. (Historically, reality eventually forces isolationists to see the light.)

I agree with Ann Coulter that an exercise in outrageous voting is in order. The problem with her “Hillary” strategy is that NO ONE will be able to distinguish her vote from any other cast in this nation. Therefore, Ann’s message of “outrage” will be lost.

I agree with JR that a locked convention would be an interesting thing with the potential to bring about a conservative candidate. This however will not happen, because either McCain or Huckabee will win Texas. Romney will win someplace.

A brokered convention will deal with the reality of a combination of any of these two candidates having sufficient delegates to go over the 1191 magic number. In other words, a McCain/Huck or a McCain/Romney ticket will achieve the magic 1191. I would imagine that McCain would pick Romney to (1) get his money, and (2) bring the party together. (Isn’t that a joke — bringing it together by putting 2 rinos on the ticket!) Both Huck and Romney are young enough to realize that they can be president another day, and that VPs invariably end up as party nominees some day.

Ann’s strategy is flawed. Jim’s strategy, while appealing is flawed.

How to make a COUNTABLE statement?

In the primaries, it would be best to have a significant number of conservatives — those who realize that there are now 3 rinos remaining — vote for Ron Paul. This will signal the strength of this group and whether or not they can ruin the Pubbies in the fall election. If they have the numerical strength to bring down the Republicans, perhaps they’ll agree that a real conservative VP on the ticket in the fall will be in the best interest of their winning.

In the general if there is no conservative VP: vote Constition Party. Again, these extra votes can be counted, and the pubbies will know what they threw away.

It is better — if the country is to be given into the hands of socialism — that it be ruined by liberals than by pretend conservatives.

I will unjoin the Repub party as soon as the Ohio Primary is over on 4 March. I will then join the Constitution Party. This is a slight change to earlier anger, but it makes more sense.

I’ll cast my Ohio ballot for Ron Paul.


56 posted on 02/07/2008 5:41:29 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
I think Huckabee and Romney would be better than McCain. I don't know enough of Paul to make a determination. Still, I'm not supporting any of the four and two days ago in California I voted for Duncan Hunter. I know, it didn't do any good but I wanted to cast a vote for somebody.

When he ran a couple of years ago, I also voted for McClintock for California Governor as I saw Schwarzneggar as the liberal that he is.

I believe I'll be joining you in the Constitution Party.

57 posted on 02/07/2008 6:03:31 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: scripter

I don’t think Hunter will be on our ballot in Ohio. He dropped out far enough in the past that he probably preceded the printing of the ballot.

To make a statement, it’s best to rally behind a name on the ballot. It’s easier to get people to just check that box than it is to get them to write in a name.


58 posted on 02/07/2008 6:06:05 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

You’re probably right. I’ve never written a name in and would feel a little strange doing it.


59 posted on 02/07/2008 6:26:54 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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