Posted on 05/24/2007 1:51:07 PM PDT by calcowgirl
KEENE, N.H. -- Rudolph Giuliani Wednesday sounded open to letting anyone who's not a criminal or mental patient carry a concealed handgun -- even telling a woman who packs a piece in New York that it's OK with him.
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Giuliani's days as a crusading anti-gun mayor are behind him now that he's running for president, and Wednesday he staked out a simple test for concealed-carry permits, which are tightly controlled in New York. He asked two questions -- Are you a criminal, and have you ever been institutionalized? -- and to the laughter of the audience, rendered his verdict when she said no to both.
"As far as I am concerned, you can have a concealed weapon," he said. "The Constitution of the United States in the Second Amendment gives you an individual right to bear arms; that individual right is as strong as your individual right to free speech, free assembly, being safe against unreasonable searches and seizures."
Outside the event, Giuliani said his test came from a recent federal court ruling overturning a tough District of Columbia gun ban, which set what he considered "reasonable" limits on gun ownership. He said he believes that individual states should decide who can carry weapons.
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I don't believe him.
But, if I did believe him, this is just another 180 degree flip-flop on a fundamental issue. Will he do 180 degree flip-flops on other issues, if elected?
The man is not trustworthy, IMO.
If FR is a "Conservative Forum" why are posting articles about Rudy?
Are you not simply preaching to a NO choir?
Just curious to hear why.
Thanks
Sounds like a good litmus test to me. If I could believe him, I'd be willing to give him another look. That's a big 'if' however.
Problem is, we know what his previous stance was on gun control. Now he’s taking a new stance on it. Why should we believe he has really changed his mind? What is he going to do to prove it? Is he going to denounce his lawsuits against gun stores and gun manufacturers?
I am goning to vote against him in the Primary and if he’s the ‘Pubbie candidate in the General election, I’m going to skip that line.
Good call clacowgirl.
Rudy is like so many other politicos that will sell their soul to get the elected job they wnat.
No real beliefs but if you read his past stances he is for gun control, abortion, illegal immigration,and imho he is a RINO.
As long as he flip flops on guns for 4 to 8 years, that’s ok by me.
If Giuliani wins election after espousing more conservative positions, why do you believe he wouldn’t govern the same way? Even if he’s an opportunist, that would have proven to be the more popular position by virtue of his election, so it would be logical for him to continue in that direction.
The position that if the US Constitution doesnt grant the power to regulate something, then the state retains that right to itself is true and proper. However in the case of guns, it isnt so. The 2nd ammendment doesnt just prohibit congress from regulating guns, it prohibits anyone bound by the constituion from doing so. In other words, when the states signed the constition and ratified the ammendments the agreed to live by those rules and one of them was that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The states signed up to that text just as congress did, and should be constrained by them just as congress is (or would be if they didnt ignore the constitution as a matter of course).
So it is my contention that if that amendment precludes congress from legislating about firearm controls (as Rudy has said in his campaign) then it puts the same restriction on the states.
Well it hasn't worked that way with Jorge in the White House and there's no reason to expect any different from Rudy.
I've posted articles on Hillary, too.
Should I not do that? Should we not identify and discuss the liberal enemies that we want to defeat?
Agreed!
...and imho he is a RINO.
In my opinion, he has no basis for putting "Republican" anywhere near his name.
No no - just wanted to understand - fair answer.
I have no problem with your answer - just wanted to ask.
Hillary is simple - THAT VOICE - that’s our greatest ally.
Thanks for responding - I appreciate that.
That's what they said about Arnold. Get real.
Interesting turn, with Rudy pushing a little right on a Constitutional issue and hanging left moderate on social issues. If he starts using money on television and radio commercials with similar themes, he could easily turn the less politically inclined in his direction.
He is a lying carpetbagger.
Roooody thinks the sheeple are really stupid. He could be right. He is a lying piece of crap.
as .... Mitt Romney
But hey, if Rudy says it now, we should accept him at his word, right? His past doesn't matter, only whatever position he's come up with most recently.
/sarc
I don’t recall GW Bush running in 2000 as a conservative on immigration policy. Given the alternatives, if I had a wayback machine I’d still have voted for Bush over Gore that year, and Bush over Kerry in 2004. And I would vote for Giuliani over Hillary, Obama or Pony Boy in 2008. Doing otherwise would strike me as irresponsible.
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