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To: beckysueb
The United States of America and the Confederate States of America, and I dare say the CSA would be more apt to stand on their own 2 feet and not turned into a welfare state.

Three problems:

1. As LexBaird points out further down, the Confederacy almost certainly would have balkanized. Had the North let the South go without a fight, the North would have balkanized as well.

2. The Confederacy was a kludge. By that I mean that the confederate government couldn't get out of its own way, and the several states were so obsessed with the idea of avoiding any centralization of power that they carried it to extremes. I recall that the governor of one state demanded that Jefferson Davis reorganize the army so no soldier would be commanded by any officer from another state. I suspect that if anyone tried to tighten the Cofederate organization up, some of the states would have seceded over it, and then we have three countries... Plus, the South would have been mired in poverty with no industrial base. All their value was tied up in slaves. Maybe that wouldn't keep them from being a nation, but they wouldn't be a successful one.

3. As to the welfare state, the modern American welfare state was founded on the conversion of the (mostly Northern) urban black family to welfare in the late Sixties and early Seventies. All those folks' ancestors would have been bound in slavery for some time past the Civil War (at least a decade, as there was NO movement for abolition in the South) and then would have had a much harder time migrating North. So, the North might not have built a welfare state so easily because the racist Left wouldn't have had the false "blacks are still poor because they were disadvantaged by slavery" talking point or otherwise had them to pat on the head, or Southern blacks might have provided leverage for Southern liberals (y'all had them, too) to turn the CSA/Balkan Belt into wlefare states.

Trust me, there's no way that a nation sitting on the backs of slaves was going to do well. Lincoln was right in his Second Inaugural when he said the Civil War was a punishment from God for slavery.

461 posted on 05/24/2007 12:11:32 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Excellent post.


482 posted on 05/24/2007 12:48:41 PM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Mr. Silverback

The roman empire did ok for awhile with slaves.


494 posted on 05/24/2007 1:01:56 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Mr. Silverback

Kind of funny that “God” didn’t punish Israel for keeping slaves......


814 posted on 05/26/2007 10:12:22 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.......)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Lincoln was right in his Second Inaugural when he said the Civil War was a punishment from God for slavery.

Two things, can you point to anyone/anything granting Abraham Lincoln the power to act as a moral surrogate for our Lord and Saviour? Jesus Christ healed the slave of a Roman centurion while praising the guard for his faith - never once did He condemn him.

And two, can you cite any Biblical verse that condemns slavery or slaveowners? In I Tim 6 slaves are exhorted to praise their masters and in Exodus 21 the guidelines of the sale and treatment of slaves are proscribed.

1,176 posted on 05/30/2007 11:02:24 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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