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To: Badeye
I just relayed a rather well documented exchange among hero’s from a bygone era.

Sure, go for the 'don't-shoot-the-messenger' angle. :-)

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I love quotes too. Particularly ones from the Founders concerning the Constitutional compact:

"If every infraction of a compact of so many parties is to be resisted at once as a dissolution, none can ever be formed which would last one year. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left are the dissolution of our Union with them or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation. But in the meanwhile, the States should be watchful to note every material usurpation on their rights; to denounce them as they occur in the most peremptory terms; to protest against them as wrongs to which our present submission shall be considered, not as acknowledgments or precedents of right, but as a temporary yielding to the lesser evil, until their accumulation shall overweigh that of separation."
Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825. ME 16:148

281 posted on 05/24/2007 8:28:47 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Government cannot make a law contrary to the law that made the government)
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To: MamaTexan

Great quote, to be sure. Its easy to forget that Jefferson’s own hand set up the primary reasons the Civil War took place 80 years later when you read his thoughts as in this passage.

We tend to forget they were just men, with all the foibles associated.


293 posted on 05/24/2007 8:34:40 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye; MamaTexan
MamaTexan:

I love quotes too. Particularly ones from the Founders concerning the Constitutional compact:

"If every infraction of a compact of so many parties is to be resisted at once as a dissolution, none can ever be formed which would last one year. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left are the dissolution of our Union with them or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation. But in the meanwhile, the States should be watchful to note every material usurpation on their rights; to denounce them as they occur in the most peremptory terms; to protest against them as wrongs to which our present submission shall be considered, not as acknowledgments or precedents of right, but as a temporary yielding to the lesser evil, until their accumulation shall overweigh that of separation."
Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1825.

Badeye:
Great quote, to be sure. Its easy to forget that Jeffersons own hand set up the primary reasons the Civil War took place 80 years later when you read his thoughts as in this passage.

Badeye, - As Mama Tex says:
"Government cannot make a law contrary to the law that made the government".

If the States had - from the outset - protected their powers from federal encroachments in the Courts - the civil war need never have been fought.
Instead, the States played the same game as the Feds [and still do].
They both still claim undelegated powers; - 'Governments can make laws contrary to the supreme Law of the Land. - The bill of rights only selectively applies to Congress or to the States'

341 posted on 05/24/2007 9:21:04 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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