Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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You might want to check the facts instead of relying solely on your imagination. The Davis government ordered supplies be cut off on April 2nd.
None of this conceded, of course. The People are sovereign, and I'm confident they'll overcome the various factions that want them for a hobbyhorse and service industry.
Of course they will. All they have to do is listen to you in rapt admiration as you tell them what needs to be done. Let me know when you've got the masses rallied to your cause and I'll start paying attention.
Can calling me a Nazi or a Commie or even a liberal be far behind? You are nothing if not predictable.
It paints an excellent portrait of Lincoln only if you think of him as a blood-thirsty tyrant and dictator. If you're looking for a better fictional representation of Lincoln and the other leaders of the time then I would recommend "Freedom" by William Safire. Not only does it give an interesting portrait of Lincoln, and unlike Vidal's work Safire had end notes giving his sources and reasoning for each of his chapters, but it gives a fascinating portrait of John Breckenridge.
If you want to continue the conversation, please feel free to do so.
Strange that you consider this vote legitimate, and the people of other states in convention voting to secede are illegitimate.
See Douglas Harper's Slavery in the North: Northern Profits from Slavery and others. The bulk of the entire yankee economy revolved around the slave trade, from shipbuilders, banking, tanneries, loggers, alcohol and spirits, etc. According to Harper, by 1740 almost 65% of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations economy revolved around the trade.
Interestingly, Mr. Harper notes that Google constantly excises pages indicating Northern culpability from searches:
About the middle of December 2003, I suddenly noticed a dramatic drop in the number of hits to the Northern slavery pages. At first I attributed this to the end of college semesters. But a few days later, I did a Google search of "Northern slavery" and "slavery in the North," and my pages were no longer at the top of the list."A list of the leading slave merchants is almost identical with a list of the region's prominent families: the Fanueils, Royalls, and Cabots of Massachusetts; the Wantons, Browns, and Champlins of Rhode Island; the Whipples of New Hampshire; the Eastons of Connecticut; Willing & Morris of Philadelphia. To this day, it's difficult to find an old North institution of any antiquity that isn't tainted by slavery."They weren't on the list at all.
It's not unusual for Google page rankings to shift over time. But this was highly unusual. They somehow had been "disappeared:" Purged from the search engine that had handled 99 percent of their search engine traffic.
This aroused my curiosity. The pages were still in the same places. Other pages from the same site, which did not deal with slavery or the Civil War, still turned up in their usual rankings on Google searches. Only these ones were gone.
The pages about slavery in North Carolina still were there on the "results" list. The pages about slavery in northern Sudan still were there. Only mine were missing.
Using Google's electronic "recommend a site" form, I re-submitted the slavery pages to their system. A couple of days later, they were back on the list, at number one on "Northern slavery" and number four on "Slavery in the North." Two days after that, they were gone again.
Your snide remarks about "imagination" aside, the fact is that Beauregard didn't tell that to Anderson until the 7th, and communication with the fort was still continuing when Chew (not Lamon, thank you) showed up for his interview with Pickens and Beauregard on the 6th.
Oh, you noticed that, too.
Uh, yeah.
Wonder if the Tennesseeans were legitimate or illegitimate when they voted against secession, the first time out? North Carolina's public opinion changed over time, too.
Reading our man N-S is like reading a paragraph of Orwell, about quick switches in the goodthink/oldthink party line.
Notwithstanding all of the above, let me go on the record as bellyfeeling doubleplusgood duckspeakers like N-S. Oldthinkers are ungood and unbellyfeel Big Brother. IngSoc forever.
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Ping to my last.
;o)
I wonder if his/her position is that only the first vote counts?
This is a revelation to me. The Fanueils? As in, Faneuil Hall, cradle of liberty? Are you telling me that that hall was built with profits from slaving?
Is that Brown, as in Brown University? As in, the PhD mineralogist who lowered my grad-school X-Ray Diffraction grade from an "A" to a "B" (another guy and I, co-leaders of the class, got this "review") because, while we'd nominally scored "A" in the course by the standards he'd announced at the start of the course, our work wasn't up to what was considered "A" work at his Yankee alma mater, Brown? That Brown?
The Cabots? As in, "Where Lodges speak only to Cabots/ And Cabots speak only to God"?
And after all we've heard about Bedford Forrest.....no wonder those pages disappeared from the Net! Good find, man.
Well, it would help him with his insistence that the ratification of the 14th Amendment was good, and that the States that voted to reconsider (when they actually got a government), couldn't.
Wonder if he could reframe that as some sort of formulary philosophism that he could play "legitimist" games with?
How does that sound?
Well, there were no rebelling States, since there was no "rebellion", but if you mean the invading States, then yes, it's pretty obvious that Texas discriminated on the basis of "screwor/screwee". That would be a legitimate policy basis for going out of the Union, and in fact the Texans mention it a lot, as you can see.
Yep.
Is that Brown, as in Brown University? As in, the PhD mineralogist who lowered my grad-school X-Ray Diffraction grade from an "A" to a "B" (another guy and I, co-leaders of the class, got this "review") because, while we'd nominally scored "A" in the course by the standards he'd announced at the start of the course, our work wasn't up to what was considered "A" work at his Yankee alma mater, Brown? That Brown?
Yep.
The Cabots? As in, "Where Lodges speak only to Cabots/ And Cabots speak only to God"?
The same. Oh the humanity ....
Wow! A sure sign of the apocalyse!
Something to remember, folks. As much rhetoric as is let fly on the Blue/Grey threads, everyone here agrees on far more than they disagree. We are Kith and Kin.
Chew was in transit from the 6th, as per my almanac, but arrived on the evening of the 8th, as per Nicolay.
Not as strange as you treating the Southern votes for secession as binding and willing to toss out the vote in Missouri as unimportant.
I will also point out that the legitimacy of the vote isn't in question. The votes were perfectly legal. It's the manner in which the states decided to carry out those votes, unilateral secession, that was not.
I was in a meeting and I did notice a tremor in The Force along about that time. This explains it.
lentulusgracchus - have you read the Safire book? I'd be curious as to your opinion on it.
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